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The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence

Fact finding trip to Western Canada

November 19 - 22, 2001

Senator Colin Kenny, Chair
Senator Michael Forrestall, Deputy Chair
Senator Jane Cordy
Senator Joseph Day
Senator Laurier LaPierre
Senator Edward M. Lawson
Senator Michael Meighen
Senator Jack Wiebe


Monday, November 19, 2001  - Esquimalt 

7:00 a.m. –
8:30 a.m.
Meeting – Review of program and results of meetings
9:30 a.m.





























































Greeting by Rear-Admiral J.D. Fraser, Commander, Maritime Forces Pacific, HMC Dockyard


Briefing by Captain (N) Richard Harrison on Asia-Pacific engagement incorporating Recognized Maritime Picture (computerized map), deployment of HMCS WINNIPEG (Arabian Gulf) and HMCS VICTORIA (submarine); also torpedo testing at Nanoose Bay


In attendance for the visit:

Rear-Admiral J.D. (Jamie) Fraser, Commander, Maritime Forces Pacific

Commodore E.J. (Eric) Lerhe, Commander, Canadian Fleet Pacific

Captain (N) R.P. (Richard) Harrison, Assistant Chief of Staff Operations

Captain (N) R.D. (Dan) Murphy, Deputy Commander, Canadian Fleet Pacific

Captain (N) T.H.W. (Tyron) Pile, Commander, Maritime Operations Group Four



HMCS HURON (destroyer)


Greeted by Lieutenant-Commander Yves Chartrant, Acting Commanding Officer of the HMCS HURON and Captain (N) Gary Paulson, Commanding Officer of HMCS ALGONQUIN




Briefing on Task Group combat capability by Commodore E.J. (Eric) Lerhe, Reserves and Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels by Captain (N) T.H.W. (Tyron) Pile


Lunch with Junior Ranks


Tour of HMCS WHITEHORSE and HMCS NANAIMO Maritime Coastal Defence Vessel (MCDV) (Reserves)

o       Operations, capabilities, route survey

o       Coastal Operations Planning and Analysis Centre (COPAC) demonstration


Greeting by Lieutenant-Commander Gary Stark, Commanding Officer, HMCS WHITEHORSE




Briefing on quality of life issues by:

Chief Petty Officer First Class Kim Davis, Formation Chief Petty Officer

Captain Vic Falconer, Formation Drug Education Coordinator; Formation Health Services (Pacific)

Ms. Gaynor Jackson, Manager, Military Family Support Centre

Mr. Dick Dawe, Manager; Personnel Support Programmes


o       Post-Deployment ship leave

o       Post Living Differential

o       Seashore ration

o       Support mechanisms


443 Squadron, Patricia Bay


Greeting by Lieutenant-Commander C.J. Henneberry, Commander Maritime, Air Force Command Pacific


Briefing by Lieutenant-Colonel J.J. (John) McManus, Commanding Officer, 443 (MH) Squadron and Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Szczerbaniwicz, Commanding Officer, 407 Squadron


Display of CH-124 (Sea King) and CP-124 (Aurora) with appropriate technical personnel available to answer questions.  If available, one CH-124 will provide in-air demonstration with interested Senators on board.

5:15 p.m. Adjournment


Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - Vancouver 

8:00 a.m. Meeting – Review of program and results of meetings 
9:00 a.m. Briefing by Mr. Brian Bramah, Regional Director, Security and Emergency Preparedness, Transport Canada; Captain Chris Badger, Vice-President in Charge of Operations, Vancouver Port Authority, and Mr. Graham Kee, Chief Security Officer, Vancouver Port Authority

o       General operation of the port; business plan; areas of responsibilities; funding; security at port – who pays 

Briefing by Inspector Robert Taylor, Patrol Support Section, Vancouver City Police and Inspector D. W. Doug Kiloh, Major Case Manager, Criminal Operations E Division, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Mr. Peter Bell, Intelligence Analyst Organized Crime Agency of British Columbia

o       City of Vancouver Police are police of jurisdiction; RCMP are specialized units:

o       Organized crime and drugs; number of crimes reported; amount of drugs and contraband seized; number of illegal entries;) 

In attendance:

Sergeant P. (Duke) Andrash, Operations Division, Waterfront Team, District 2,Vancouver Police Department

Peter Ditchfield, Deputy Chief Officer Organized Crime Agency of British Columbia

Sergeant B. R. (Brian) Pitman, Waterfront Joint Forces Operation


Briefing by Mr. John Forgie, Enforcement Supervisor, Citizenship and Immigration Canada

o       How illegal immigrants are handled; nature and extent of problem


Briefing by Ms. Daniela Evans, Chief, Marine Operations, Customs and Revenue Agency

o       interdiction and inspection programs; how to determine high risk containers; nature and extent of activities; interdictions

12:00 – 1:30 p.m.   Meeting – Review of program and results of meetings  
2:00 - 3:00  Tour of port by Captain Michael P. Cormier, Deputy Harbour Master, Vancouver Port Authority

In attendance:

Ms. Linda Morris, Director, Public Affairs, Vancouver Port Authority

Mr. Francis Narayan, Detector Dog Service, Canada Customs and Revenue Agency

Zoom, Detector dog Service, Canada Customs and Revenue Agency

3:30 - 5:00 p.m.  Representatives of Customs and Excise Union:

Suzanne M. Neumann, Compliancer Verification Officer, Customs Compliance

Scenery Slater, District Program Officer

Mr. Francis Narayan, Detector Dog Service

Canada Customs & Revenue Agency

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - Vancouver 

8:00 – 9:00 a.m. Meeting – Review of program and results of meetings 
10:00 a.m.



















Briefing by Mr. Craig Richmond, Vice President, Airport Operations, Vancouver International Airport, and Mr. Brian Bramah, Regional Director, Security and Emergency Preparedness, Transport Canada

o       Airport Authority will give general overview of airport operations; who is responsible for what; explanation of regulations by Transport Canada; processing of issuing passes


Briefing by Inspector T.G. (Tonia) Enger, Operations Officer, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Richmond Detachment (police force of jurisdiction), Superintendent Ward D. Clapham, and Inspector J.J. (Jim) Begley, Federal Policing Service, Vancouver International Airport, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and Mr. Brian Flagel, Director, Customs Border Services, Canada Customs and Revenue Agency

o    General policing response; security at the airport; role of Canada Customs; entrance of contraband; organized crime


Briefing by Mr. Yves Duguay, Senior Director, Corporate Security Risk Management, Air Canada, Ms. Margaret Bullock, Manager, Security Awareness, Policy and Regulations, Corporate Security Air Canada, and Mr. W.A. (Bill) Devlin, Manager Hub Development, Air Canada

o       How private contactor handles security; screening of employees; screening of passengers; screening of baggage


Tour of baggage area of airport by Ms. Anne Murray, Vice President Community and Environmental Affairs, Vancouver International Airport Authority

2:00 p.m. Adjournment


Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 1 Canadian Air Division and 17 Wing, Winnipeg 

8:00 – 9:00 a.m. Meeting – Review of program and results of meetings 
9:30 a.m.























Commander’s Boardroom, 1 Canadian Air Division 

Briefing by Major-General Steve Lucas, Commander 1 Canadian Air Division / Canadian NORAD Region Headquarters on operations  

In attendance:

Brigadier –General Mike DeCuir, Deputy Regional Commander, NORAD Region 

Briefing on quality of life by Chief Warrant Officer Danno Dietrich, 1 Canadian Air Division Chief Warrant Officer (including recruitment and retention, family support, post-deployment support, spousal support and other issues) 

In attendance: Lieutenant-Colonel Shirley Neville, Wing Administration Officer and Acting Wing Commander, 17 Wing 

Lunch with enlisted personnel 

Commander’s Boardroom, 17 Wing 

Briefing by Lieutenant Colonel Gord Reid, Commandant, Canadian Forces Air Navigation School (CFANS)

o       Overview of operations

o       New syllabus

o       Involvement in foreign training 

Briefing by Lieutenant Colonel Bert Doyle, Commanding Officer, 402 Squadron (total force Squadron with both regular and reserve forces; the squadron supports CFANS flying training operations)

o       Reserve personnel involvement

o       Reserves/Regular Forces ratio and interaction 

Tour of CT-142 Dash 8 aircraft (used for navigator training) Lieutenant Colonel Doyle, Commanding Officer, 402 Squadron 

Tour of CC-130 Hercules (aircraft used for transport, Search and rescue, and air-to-air refuelling) Lieutenant Colonel Tom Whitburn, Squadron 435 

4:00 p.m. Adjournment

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