Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence
Issue 3 - Minutes of Proceedings
OTTAWA, Monday, April 19, 2004
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera, at 5:17 p.m., in room 160-S (Subcommittee), Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Munson (5).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson and Liam Price, Analysts; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Commander Gerry Powell, Liaison Officer, DND; Veronica Morris Communications Officer.
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e) the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 6:07 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 6:12 p.m., the committee continued its sitting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Friday, February 13, 2004, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, February 16, 2004, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
WITNESSES:
From Conference of Defence Associations:
Lieutenant-General (ret'd) Richard J. Evraire;
Colonel (ret'd) Alain Pellerin, Executive Director.
From the University of Calgary:
Dr. David J. Bercuson, Director, Centre for Military and Strategic Studies.
The committee paid tribute to the memory of the late Grant Purves, researcher from the Library of Parliament. The committee presented a copy of the most recent report and a plaque to his widow, Monique Hébert.
Lieutenant-General Evraire made a statement and, with Colonel Pellerin, responded to questions.
At 7:42 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 7:46 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.
Dr. Bercuson made a statement and responded to questions.
Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2004, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.
- "Herb Gray's Statement for his Appearance before the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence on Monday, March 29, 2004'', "Excerpts from: Unsafe Dams?'' and "Unsafe Dams? A Report by the IJC'' (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "10'')
- Letter from James R. Wright to Senator Kenny dated March 12, 2004 regarding meeting of February 26, 2004 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "11'')
- "Serving Canadian Interests: A Defence Policy That Begins at Home/Au service des intérêts canadiens: Une politique de defense qui commence chez nous'' by Dr. David J. Bercuson to the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence on Monday, April 19, 2004 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "12'')
- Remarks by Lieutenant-General Richard J. Evraire (Ret'd), Chairman — Conference of Defence Associations to the Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defence, 19 April 2004 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS- 1, 3, "13'')
- "ON TRACK'' Conference of Defence Associations Institute Magazine for March 2004, Volume 9, Number 1 from Lieutenant-General Richard J. Evraire (Ret'd) to the Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defence, 19 April 2004 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "14'')
It was moved by Senator Munson, that the Chair be authorized to seek an extension of the existing order of reference until September 30, 2005.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
It was moved by Senator Forrestall, that the following budget be adopted:
|
Professional and Other Services |
$ 143,700 |
|
Transportation and Communications |
242,653 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
13,500 |
|
TOTAL |
$ 399,853 |
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
At 8:55 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 9:00 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in room 160-S (Subcommittee), Centre Block.
At 9:33 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
Barbara Reynolds
Clerk of the Committee
OTTAWA, Monday, April 26, 2004
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera, at 5:20 p.m., in room 160-S (Subcommittee), Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Day, Kenny and Meighen (5).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson and Liam Price, Analysts; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Commander Gerry Powell, Liaison Officer, DND; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e) the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 6:10 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 6:13 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Friday, February 13, 2004, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, February 16, 2004, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
WITNESS:
From the Department of National Defence:
Dr. Kenneth J. Calder, Assistant Deputy Minister (Policy).
The Chair made a statement.
Dr. Calder made a statement and responded to questions.
At 7:45 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 8:05 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in room 160-S (Subcommittee), Centre Block.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e) the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 8:20 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Wednesday, April 28, 2004
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 12:07 p.m., in room 160-S, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Day, Forrestall, Kenny and Meighen (6).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson and Liam Price, Analysts; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Commander Gerry Powell, Liaison Officer, DND; Veronica Morris Communications Officer.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Friday, February 13, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, February 16, 2004, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
WITNESS:
From the Council for Canadian Security in the 21st Century:
Dr. J.L. Granatstein, Chair.
The Chair made a statement.
Dr. Granatstein made a statement and responded to questions.
Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2004, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.
- Opening Statement to Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defence by J.L. Granatstein on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/ N2-SS-1, 3, "15'')
At 1:29 p.m. the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Monday, May 3, 2004
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera, at 5:25 p.m., in room 160-S (Subcommittee), Centre Block, the Deputy Chair, the Honourable Michael Forrestall, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Day, Forrestall, Munson and Smith, P.C. (6).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson and Liam Price, Analysts; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer; from the office of the Honourable Michael Forrestall: Joe Varner, Researcher.
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e) the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 5:54 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 6:00 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Friday, February 13, 2004, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, February 16, 2004, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
WITNESSES:
As an individual:
Major-General (ret'd) Lewis MacKenzie.
From the Conference of Defence Associations Institute:
Brigadier-General (ret'd) W. Don Macnamara President.
The Deputy Chair made a statement.
Major-General MacKenzie made a statement and responded to questions.
At 7:31 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 7:38 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.
Brigadier-General Macnamara made a statement and responded to questions.
Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2004, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.
- "Policy Matters, A National Security Framework for Canada'' by W. D. Macnamara and Ann Fitz-Gerald presented to the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence on Monday, May 3, 2004 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "16'')
- Presentation to The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence 3 May 2004 by W. Donald Macnamara (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "17'')
- "A Contemporary History of Canadian Defence Policy'' by BGen (Ret) Don Macnamara, Queen's Centre for International Relations 8 May 2003 (Exhibit 5900-3.37/N2-SS-1, 3, "18'')
At 9:02 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
Catherine Piccinin
Clerk of the Committee