Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources
Issue No. 72 - Minutes of Proceedings - June 18, 2019
OTTAWA, Tuesday, June 18, 2019
The Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources met this day at 5:20 p.m., in
room B45, Senate of Canada Building, the chair, the Honourable Rosa Galvez, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Carignan, P.C., Cordy, Dalphond, Galvez,
LaBoucane-Benson, MacDonald, Massicotte, McCallum, Mockler, Neufeld, Patterson, Richards, Seidman, Simons
and Woo (15).
Other senators present: The Honourable Senators Anderson and Duncan (2).
In attendance: Sam Banks and Jesse Good, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Monday, June 17, 2019, the committee began its study
of Bill C-88, An Act to amend the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act and the Canada Petroleum Resources
Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.
The Honourable Carolyn Bennett, P.C., M.P., Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations.
Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada:
Diane Lafleur, Associate Deputy Minister;
Mark Hopkins, Director General, Natural Resources and Environment Branch;
Gilles Binda, Director, Resource Policy and Programs Directorate;
Michel Chénier, Director, Petroleum and Mineral Resources Management Directorate.
Government of Northwest Territories:
James Fulford, Chief Negotiator, Offshore, Executive and Indigenous Affairs (by video conference).
Gwich'in Tribal Council:
David MacMartin, Director, Intergovernmental Relations (by video conference).
George Mackenzie, Grand Chief (by video conference);
Bertha Rabesca Zoe, Legal Counsel and Laws Guardian (by video conference).
The minister made a statement and, together with Ms. Lafleur and Mr. Chénier, answered questions.
At 6:05 p.m., it was agreed that the committee suspend.
At 6:08 p.m., the committee resumed.
Mr. Mackenzie, Mr. Fulford and Mr. MacMartin each made a statement and, together with Ms. Rabesca Zoe,
At 6:10 p.m., the Honourable Senator Dalphond replaced the Honourable Senator Woo as a member of the
At 6:46 p.m., it was agreed that the committee proceed to the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-88.
It was agreed that the title stand postponed.
With leave, it was agreed that the committee group clauses according to groups of 10, when appropriate.
It was agreed that clauses 1 to 10 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 11 to 20 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 21 to 30 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 31 to 40 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 41 to 50 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 51 to 60 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 61 to 70 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 71 to 80 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 81 to 86 carry.
It was agreed that the title carry.
It was agreed that the bill carry, on division.
It was agreed that observations submitted by the Honourable Senator Patterson be appended to the report.
After debate, it was agreed that the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be empowered to approve the final
version of the observations being appended to the report, and with any necessary editorial, grammatical or translation
It was agreed that the chair report the bill, with observations, to the Senate.
At 6:56 p.m., it was agreed that the committee suspend.
At 6:57 p.m., pursuant to rule 12-16(1)(d), the committee resumed in camera to consider a draft agenda.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, March 10, 2016, the committee continued its
study on the effects of transitioning to a low carbon economy. (For complete text of the order of reference, see
proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 4.)
It was agreed that senators' staff be permitted to remain in the room during the in camera portion of the meeting.
It was agreed that the clerk be instructed to note in the minutes of the meeting for June 6, 2019, all decisions of the
committee during the in camera session, including the details on the recorded divisions, instead of just the motions that
At 6:58 p.m., it was agreed that the committee adjourn to the call of the chair.