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OTTAWA, Monday, December 9, 2019


The Standing Senate Committee on National Finance met this day at 3:41 p.m., in room B45, Senate of Canada Building, the chair, the Honourable Percy Mockler, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Bellemare, Boehm, Day, Deacon (Ontario), Duffy, Duncan, Forest, Loffreda, Marshall, Mockler, Smith, Tannas and Tkachuk (13).

In attendance: Alex Smith and Shaowei Pu, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Services, Library of Parliament.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on December 5, 2019, the committee continued its examination of the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2020.


Global Affairs Canada:

Arun Thangaraj, Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer;

Shirley Carruthers, Director General, Financial Resource Planning and Management Bureau.

Veterans Affairs Canada:

General (Ret'd) W. J. Natynczyk, Deputy Minister;

Sara Lantz, Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer and Corporate Services Branch;

Rick Christopher, Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery.

Canadian Heritage:

Jean-Stéphen Piché, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Cultural Affairs Sector;

Éric Doiron, Chief Financial Officer and Director General, Financial Management Branch.

Shared Services Canada:

Denis Bombardier, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer;

Louis-Paul Normand, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Project Management and Delivery;

Dinesh Mohan, Director General, Cloud Services, Chief Technology Officer Branch.

Electric Mobility Canada:

Travis Allan, Chair, National Government Relations Committee.

Gen. Natynczyk and Mr. Thangaraj made statements and, together with Ms. Lantz and Mr. Christopher, answered questions.

At 4:35 p.m., the committee suspended.

At 4:41 p.m., the committee resumed.

Messrs. Bombardier and Piché made statements and, together with Messrs. Normand and Mohan, answered questions.

At 5:42 p.m., the committee suspended.

At 5:47 p.m., the committee resumed.

Mr. Allan made a statement and answered questions.

At 6:35 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.


Maxime Fortin

Clerk of the Committee