46 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1997, Canada

Journals of the Senate


Issue 6

Tuesday, October 7, 1997
2:00 p.m.

The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker


The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Beaudoin, Bolduc, Bonnell, Bosa, Bryden, Buchanan, Butts, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Cochrane, Cogger, Comeau, Cools, Corbin, DeWare, Doody, Doyle, Eyton, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Forest, Forrestall, Ghitter, Gigantès, Graham, Grimard, Gustafson, Haidasz, Hays, Hébert, Hervieux-Payette, Jessiman, Johnson, Kelleher, Kelly, Kenny, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Lavoie-Roux, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lucier, Lynch-Staunton, MacDonald, Maheu, Meighen, Mercier, Milne, Molgat, Moore, Murray, Nolin, Pearson, Petten, Poulin, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), St. Germain, Simard, Spivak, Stewart, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Whelan, Wood

PRAYERS.

SENATORS' STATEMENTS

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

Orders No. 1 (Bill S-2) and 2 (Bill S-3) were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Forest, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mercier:

That the following Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada:

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roméo A. LeBlanc, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the Senate of Canada in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Poulin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Hébert for the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams:

That the Senate do unite with the House of Commons in the appointment of a Special Joint Committee of the Senate and the House of Commons to study matters related to the proposed resolution respecting a proposed Amendment to Section 93 of the Constitution Act, 1867 concerning the Quebec school system;

That seven Members of the Senate and sixteen Members of the House of Commons be members of the Committee;

That the Committee be directed to consult broadly and review such information as it deems appropriate with respect to this issue;

That the Committee have the power to sit during sittings and adjournments of the Senate;

That the Committee have the power to report from time to time, to send for persons, papers, and records, and to print such papers and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee;

That the Committee have the power to retain the services of expert, professional technical and clerical staff;

That the quorum of the Committee be twelve members whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken, so long as both Houses are represented, and that the Joint Chairpersons be authorized to hold meetings, to receive evidence and authorize the printing thereof, whenever six members are present, so long as both Houses are represented;

That the Committee be empowered to appoint, from among its members, such sub-committees as may be deemed advisable, and to delegate to such sub-committees all or any of its powers except the power to report to the Senate and the House of Commons;

That the Committee be empowered to authorize television and radio broadcasting of any or all of its proceedings;

That the Committee make its final report no later than November 7, 1997;

That, notwithstanding usual practices, if the Senate or the House of Commons are not sitting when the final report of the Committee is completed, the report may be deposited with the Clerk of the House which is not sitting, and or the Clerks of both Houses if neither House is then sitting, and the report shall thereupon be deemed to have presented in that House, or both Houses, as the case may be; and

That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House accordingly.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator MacDonald, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

OTHER BUSINESS

Commons Public Bills

Order No. 1 (Bill C-220) was called and postponed until Tuesday next, October 14, 1997.

Reports of Committees

Consideration of the Second Report of the Committee of Selection (nomination of Senators to serve on Select Committees) presented in the Senate on October 2, 1997.

The Honourable Senator Hébert moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C. (L'Acadie-Acadia), that the Report be adopted.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Prud'homme, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Simard, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS

The Honourable Senators

Bolduc Cogger Comeau Grimard Murray Prud'hom me Si mard-7

NAYS

The Honourable Senators

Adams Andrey chuk Ba con Beau doin Bon nell Bry den Bu chanan Butts Cal lbeck Carney Carstairs Cochrane Cools Corbin DeWare Doyle Fairbairn Ferretti Barth Fo rest For restall Ghitter Gigantès Graham Gustafson Haidasz Hays Hé bert Her vieux- Payette Johnson Kinsella Kirby Kolber Lavoie- Roux Le Breton Lewis Losier- Cool Lynch- Staunton Mercier Milne Moore Pearson Petten Poulin Robi chaud (L'Aca die-Aca dia) Ro bichaud (Saint- Louis-de- Kent) Spivak Stewart Stollery Stratton Taylor Wood-5 1

ABSTENTIONS

The Honourable Senators

Eyton-1 The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Hébert, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C. (L'Acadie-Acadia), for the adoption of the Second Report of the Committee of Selection.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Other

Order No. 1 (motion) was called and postponed until the next sitting.

MOTIONS

The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Forrestall:

That the Special Committee of the Senate on the Cape Breton Development Corporation be revived to examine and report upon the Annual Report, Corporate Plan and progress reports of the Cape Breton Development Corporation and related matters;

That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records, to examine witnesses, to report from time to time and to print such papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the Committee;

That the papers and evidence received and taken on the subject and the report tabled with the Clerk of the Senate on April 25, 1997, by the Special Committee of the Senate on the Cape Breton Development Corporation during the Second Session of the Thirty-fifth Parliament be referred to the Committee;

That the Committee be authorized to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings; and

That the Committee submit its final report no later than December 15, 1997, and that the Committee retain all powers necessary to disseminate and publicize its final report until December 30, 1997.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Moore moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C.:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.