48 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1999, Canada

Journals of the Senate

2nd Session, 36th Parliament

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Issue 12

Thursday, November 25, 1999
2:00 p.m.

The Honourable Rose-Marie Losier-Cool, Speaker pro tempore

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The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Bacon, Beaudoin, Berntson, Boudreau, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cochrane, Cohen, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Joyal, Kelly, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kolber, Kroft, Lawson, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Meighen, Mercier, Milne, Murray, Nolin, Pearson, Pitfield, Poy, Rivest, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rossiter, Ruck, St. Germain, Simard, Sparrow, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Wilson,

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, *Austin, Bacon, Beaudoin, Berntson, *Bolduc, Boudreau, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cochrane, Cohen, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, *De Bané, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, *Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Joyal, Kelly, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, *Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lawson, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Meighen, Mercier, Milne, *Molgat, Murray, Nolin, Pearson, Pitfield, *Poulin (Charette), Poy, *Prud'homme, Rivest, *Robertson, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rossiter, Ruck, St. Germain, Simard, Sparrow, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Wilson

PRAYERS

Tribute was paid to the Honourable Senator Lewis, who will retire from the Senate on November 28, 1999.

SENATORS' STATEMENTS

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees

The Honourable Senator Comeau tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/36-160S):

THURSDAY, November 25, 1999

The Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries has the honour to table its

FIRST REPORT

Your Committee, which was authorized by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such legislation and other matters as were referred to it, reports, pursuant to Rule 104, that the expenses incurred by the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-sixth Parliament are as follows:

1. With respect to its examination and consideration of legislation:

 

Professional Services	$ 689.20
Transportation & Communications	3,035.00
Witness Expenses	2,557.78
TOTAL	$ 6,281.98

2. With respect to a special study to examine and report on quota licensing in Canada's fisheries:

 

Professional Services	$ 5,499.10
Transportation & Communications	25,966.71
All other Expenditures	3,494.56
Witness Expenses	15,394.90
TOTAL	$ 50,355.27

Your Committee heard from 87 witnesses, held 41 meetings, reviewed one Bill (C-27) and issued 4 reports in the last session.

Among the reports issued by the Committee on these matters was the "Privatization and Quota Licensing in Canada's Fisheries". The Committee made 10 major recommendations.

Respectfully submitted,

GERALD COMEAU

Chairman

The Honourable Senator Corbin for the Honourable Senator Kelly tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/36-161S):

THURSDAY, November 25, 1999

The Special Committee of the Senate on Security and Intelligence, which was empowered by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its examination upon matters relating to the threat posed to Canada by terrorism and counter-terrorism activities of the Government of Canada, reports, pursuant to Rule 104, that the expenses incurred by the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-sixth Parliament are as follows:

 

Professional Services	$ 140,448.96
Transportation	1,594.07
Witness Expenses	7,029.60
Other Expenditures	1,070.09
Total	$ 150,142.72

The committee heard a total of 97 witnesses through 20 meetings.

In addition, the Committee participated in briefings during site visits at several locations. Forty-two persons, located both in Canada and elsewhere, were interviewed for purposes of the Committee's work, but did not appear before the Committee.

The mandate of the Committee included reporting on the current international threat environment, the threat assessment capability of the Government of Canada, the leadership role, preparedness, etc. of those departments and agencies of the Government of Canada with counter-terrorism responsibilities and the level of international cooperation between Canada and its allies.

Respectfully submitted,

WILLIAM M. KELLY

The Honourable Senator Nolin tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/36-162S):

THURSDAY, November 25, 1999

The Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration has the honour to table its

FIRST REPORT

Your Committee reports, pursuant to Rule 104, that the expenses incurred by the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-sixth Parliament are as follows:

 

Professional Services	$ 1,196.05
Transportation & Communications	-
Other Expenditures	-
TOTAL	$ 1,196.05

Respectfully submitted,

PIERRE CLAUDE NOLIN

Deputy Chair

The Honourable Senator Forrestall tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/36-163S):

THURSDAY, November 25, 1999

The Special Committee of the Senate on Transportation Safety and Security, which was authorized by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its study of the state of transportation safety and security in order to meet the needs of Canada and Canadians in the twenty-first century, reports pursuant to Rule 104 of the rules of the Senate, that the expenses incurred by the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-sixth Parliament are as follows:

 

Professional Services	$ 81,372.53
Transportation	90,744.65
Other Expenditures	-
TOTAL	$ 172,117.18

Your Committee held 12 meetings, during which it heard 15 witnesses. The Committee issued a report on January 28, 1999. Your Committee travelled on a fact finding mission to Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver and Seattle. It also participated in the National Transportation Safety Board Symposium, and the Transportation Research Board 78th Annual Meeting, both held in Washington, D.C.

Respectfully submitted,

J. MICHAEL FORRESTALL

Government Notices of Motions

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Hays moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C.:

That when the Senate adjourns today, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday next, November 30, 1999, at 2:00 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Notices of Motions

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Joyal, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ferretti Barth:

That the Standing Committee on Privileges, Standing Rules and Orders have power to sit at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesdays, even though the Senate may then be sitting, from now until the end of December 1999, in order for the Committee to deal expeditiously with the question of privilege raised by the Honourable Senator Bacon, in addition to the questions of privilege of the Honourable Senators Andreychuk and Kinsella, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.

After debate, The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting. Second reading of Bill C-4, An Act to implement the Agreement among the Government of Canada, Governments of Member States of the European Space Agency, the Government of Japan, the Government of the Russian Federation, and the Government of the United States of America concerning Cooperation on the Civil International Space Station and to make related amendments to other Acts.

The Honourable Senator Stollery moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hays, that the Bill be read the second time.

After debate, The Honourable Senator DeWare for the Honourable Senator Kelly moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cochrane, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Motions

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Hays, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mercier:

That the proceedings on the Order of the Day for resuming the debate on the motion for an Address in reply to Her Excellency the Governor General's Speech from the Throne addressed to both Houses of Parliament be concluded on the eighth sitting day on which the order is debated,

And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Kinsella, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare, that the motion be not now adopted but that it be amended by striking out the word "eighth" and substituting the word "fourteenth".

After debate, The Honourable Senator DeWare moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Keon, that further debate on the motion in amendment be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

OTHER BUSINESS

Senate Public Bills

Orders No. 1 to 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting. Second reading of Bill S-5, An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act (Parliamentary Poet Laureate).

The Honourable Senator Grafstein moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck, that the Bill be read the second time.

After debate, The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted. Order No. 7 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Commons Public Bills

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting. Order No. 3 was called and postponed until the next sitting in the name of the Honourable Senator Hays.

Other

Order No. 9 (inquiry) was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Carstairs, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mercier:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology be authorized to examine and report upon developments since the tabling in June 1995 of the final report of the Special Senate Committee on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, entitled: Of Life and Death. In particular, the Committee shall be authorized to examine:

1. The progress on the implementation of the unanimous recommendations made in the report;

2. Developments in Canada respecting the issues dealt with in the report;

3. Developments in foreign jurisdictions respecting the issues dealt with in the report; and

That the Committee submit its final report no later than June 6, 2000.

After debate, The question being put on the motion, it was adopted. Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Gill calling the attention of the Senate to the situation of Aboriginal Peoples, to enable us to take stock and consider appropriate measures for the future.

After debate, Further debate on the inquiry was adjourned until the next sitting in the name of the Honourable Senator Watt. Orders No. 7, 6, and 2 (inquiries) were called and postponed until the next sitting.

MOTIONS

The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Chalifoux:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted. The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Chalifoux:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs be authorized to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator LeBreton for the Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Andreychuk:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology have power to sit while the Senate is sitting on Monday, November 29, Tuesday, November 30 and Wednesday, December 1, 1999, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.

After debate, The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):

Report of the Atlantic Pilotage Authority, the Laurentian Pilotage Authority, the Great Lakes Pilotage Authority, Ltd., and the Pacific Pilotage Authority for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8.-Sessional Paper No. 2/36-159.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Hays moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C. (L'Acadie-Acadia):

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Tech nology

The name of the Honourable Senator Keon substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Lavoie-Roux (November 24).

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