50 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2001, Canada

Journals of the Senate

1st Session, 37th Parliament

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Issue 57

Thursday, October 4, 2001
1:30 p.m.

The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker

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The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Andreychuk, Austin, Bacon, Banks, Beaudoin, Bolduc, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hubley, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kirby, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, LeBreton, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Milne, Moore, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Setlakwe, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Tunney, Watt, Wiebe, Wilson

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Andreychuk, *Angus, Austin, Bacon, Banks, Beaudoin, Bolduc, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hubley, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kirby, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, LeBreton, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Milne, Moore, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Setlakwe, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Tunney, Watt, Wiebe, Wilson

 

PRAYERS

SENATORS' STATEMENTS

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees

The Honourable Senator Austin, P.C., presented the following:

THURSDAY, October 4, 2001

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament (formerly entitled the Standing Committee on Privileges, Standing Rules and Orders) has the honour to present its

SIXTH REPORT

Your Committee, which was authorized by the Senate on March 15, 2001, to examine the structure of committees in the Senate, respectfully requests that the date of presenting its findings to the Senate be extended from no later than Wednesday, October 31, 2001, to no later than Friday, February 15, 2002.

Respectfully submitted,

JACK AUSTIN

Chair

The Honourable Senator Austin, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Corbin, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Kroft presented the following:

THURSDAY, October 4, 2001

The Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration has the honour to present its

EIGHTH REPORT

Your Committee recommends the adoption of Supplementary Estimates of $2,646,000 for the fiscal year 2001-2002. Since the Senate had a carry-forward balance of $621,000 from 2000-2001, the new funding requirements in the Supplementary Estimates are $2,025,000.

This Supplementary Estimate is required to meet operational shortfalls in Committees as well as salary increases resulting from collective agreements and other human resource related items.

Your Committee wishes to underline the fact that these Estimates will include, on an information basis, the estimated costs that will be charged to the Statutory Appropriation related to the revised remuneration of Parliamentarians.

Respectfully submitted,

RICHARD H. KROFT

Chair

With leave of the Senate,

The Honourable Senator Kroft moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kenny, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration later this day.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Presentation of Petitions

The Honourable Senator Spivak presented petitions:

Of Residents of Canada concerning Bill S-26, An Act concerning personal watercraft in navigable waters.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton:

That, pursuant to Rule 38, in relation to Bill C-11, An Act respecting immigration to Canada and the granting of refugee protection to persons who are displaced, persecuted or in danger, no later than 5:00 p.m., Wednesday, October 31, 2001, any proceedings before the Senate shall be interrupted and all questions necessary to dispose of third reading of the Bill shall be put forthwith without further debate or amendment, and that any votes on any of those questions be not further deferred; and

That, if a standing vote is requested, the bells to call in the Senators be sounded for thirty minutes, so that the vote takes place at 5:30 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted, on division.

Bills

Second reading of Bill S-34, An Act respecting royal assent to bills passed by the Houses of Parliament.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C., that the Bill be read the second time.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., Leader of the Government in the Senate, advised the Senate that:

Her Excellency the Governor General has been informed of the purport of this bill and has given consent, to the degree to which it may affect the prerogatives of Her Majesty, to the consideration by Parliament of a Bill entitled: "An Act respecting royal assent to bills passed by the Houses of Parliament."

The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C., for the second reading of Bill S-34.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Bill was then read the second time.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Orders No. 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Finestone, P.C.:

That at 3:00 p.m. on Thursday, October 4, 2001, the Senate resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole in order to receive officials from the Department of National Defence and the Department of Public Works and Government Services for a briefing on the procurement process for maritime helicopters.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

OTHER BUSINESS

Senate Public Bills

Orders No. 1 to 7 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees

Consideration of the Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration (Supplementary Estimates-2001-2002) presented earlier this day.

The Honourable Senator Kroft moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Moore, that the Report be adopted.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Orders No. 1 to 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Other

Orders No. 18, 20 (inquiries), 65 (motion), 7, 13 and 28 (inquiries) were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Callbeck calling the attention of the Senate to the status of legal aid in Canada and the difficulties experienced by many low-income Canadians in acquiring adequate legal assistance, for both criminal and civil matters.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., for the Honourable Senator Chalifoux moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Orders No. 6, 11, 10, 22, 23 (inquiries), 73, 44 (motions), 8 (inquiry), 54 and 41 (motions) were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Roche, seconded by the Honourable Senator Finestone, P.C.:

That the Senate of Canada recommends that the Government of Canada avoid involvement and support for the development of a National Missile Defence (NMD) system that would run counter to the legal obligations enshrined in the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which has been a cornerstone of strategic stability and an important foundation for international efforts on nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation for almost thirty years,

And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Finestone, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Bacon, that the subject-matter of this motion be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Defence and Security for study and report back to the Senate.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Wilson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Setlakwe, that further debate on the motion in amendment be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

MOTIONS

The Honourable Senator Wiebe for the Honourable Senator Meighen moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Banks:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Defence and Security be authorized to examine and report on the health care provided to veterans of war and of peacekeeping missions; the implementation of the recommendations made in its previous reports on such matters; and the terms of service, post-discharge benefits and health care of members of the regular and reserve forces as well as members of the RCMP and of civilians who have served in close support of uniformed peacekeepers;

That the papers and evidence received and taken on the subject during the Second Session of the Thirty-sixth Parliament be referred to the Committee;

That the Committee report no later than June 30, 2002; and

That the Committee be permitted, notwithstanding usual practices, to deposit its report with the Clerk of the Senate, if the Senate is not then sitting; and that the report be deemed to have been tabled in the Chamber.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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With leave,

The Senate reverted to Government Notices of Motions.

With leave of the Senate,

The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C.:

That when the Senate adjourns today, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 2:00 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):

Reports of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-459.

Report of the Cape Breton Development Corporation, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-460.

Report of the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Financial Institutions and Deposit Insurance System Amendment Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. 18 (3rd Supp.), s. 25.-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-461.

Copy of Order in Council P.C. 2001-1650 dated September 20, 2001, concerning the Agreement on Social Security between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, pursuant to the Old Age Security Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. O-9, sbs. 42(1).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-462.

Copy of the Canada Small Business Financing Regulations (JUS-602733), pursuant to the Canada Small Business Financing Act, R.S.C. 1998, c. 36, sbs. 14(3).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-463.

Reports of the Department of Industry for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-464.

Copy of the Canada Small Business Financing (Establishment and Operation of Capital Leasing Pilot Project) Regulations, pursuant to the Canada Small Business Financing Act, R.S.C. 1998, c. 36, sbs. 13(5).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-465.

Report of the Office of the Commission of Official Languages for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/37-466.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Pépin:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

(Accordingly, at 2:50 p.m. the Senate was continued until Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 2:00 p.m.)

 

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