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71 Elizabeth II , A.D. 2022, Canada

1st Session, 44th Parliament

Issue 52 (Unrevised)

Thursday, June 9, 2022
2 p.m.

The Honourable GEORGE J. FUREY, Speaker


The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

AndersonArnotAtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBlackBoehmBoisvenuBoveyBoyerBussonCampbellChristmasClementCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisFureyGagnéGerbaGignacGoldGreeneHartlingHousakosJafferKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaLovelace NicholasMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMarwahMassicotteMcCallumMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOhOmidvarPatePattersonPetitclercPlettPoirierQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWellsWhiteYussuff

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

AndersonArnotAtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBlackBoehmBoisvenuBoveyBoyerBussonCampbellChristmasClementCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisFureyGagné*GalvezGerbaGignacGoldGreeneHartlingHousakosJafferKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaLovelace NicholasMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMarwahMassicotteMcCallumMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOhOmidvarPatePattersonPetitclercPlettPoirierQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWellsWhiteYussuff

The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.

An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.

PRAYERS

Senators’ Statements

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

Tabling of Documents

The Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., tabled the following:

Anishinabek Nation Governance Agreement.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-870.

Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees

The Honourable Senator Ataullahjan, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights, presented the second report of the committee (Budget—examine such issues as may arise from time to time relating to human rights generally—power to hire staff and to travel).

(The report is printed as Appendix A at pages 668-677 (available in print format PDF).)

(The HTML version of the report is available on the committee website.)

The Honourable Senator Ataullahjan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Marshall, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Black, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry, presented the fourth report of the committee (Budget—examine and report on the status of soil health in Canada—power to travel).

(The report is printed as Appendix B at pages 678-685 (available in print format PDF).)

(The HTML version of the report is available on the committee website.)

The Honourable Senator Black moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dagenais, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Dean, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, presented the second report of the committee (Budget—examine and report on issues relating to security and defence in the Arctic—power to hire staff and to travel).

(The report is printed as Appendix C at pages 686-695 (available in print format PDF).)

(The HTML version of the report is available on the committee website.)

The Honourable Senator Dean moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Saint-Germain, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Francis, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples, presented the third report of the committee (Budget—examine the constitutional, treaty, political and legal responsibilities to First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples).

(The report is printed as Appendix D at pages 696-701 (available in print format PDF).)

(The HTML version of the report is available on the committee website.)

The Honourable Senator Francis moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Klyne, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Jaffer, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs, tabled the fifth report of the committee (The subject matter of those elements contained in Divisions 1, 21 and 22 of Part 5 of Bill C-19, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on April 7, 2022 and other measures).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-871S.

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The Honourable Senator Klyne, Chair of the Standing Committee on Audit and Oversight, presented the fifth report of the committee (Budget—supervise and report on the Senate’s internal and external audits and related matters).

(The report is printed as Appendix E at pages 702-707 (available in print format PDF).)

(The HTML version of the report is available on the committee website.)

The Honourable Senator Klyne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Francis, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Omidvar, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, tabled the eighth report of the committee (The subject matter of those elements contained in Divisions 23, 24, 26, 27, 29 and 32 of Part 5 of Bill C-19, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on April 7, 2022 and other measures).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-872S.

Government Notices of Motions

With leave of the Senate,

The Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gagné:

That, after Question Period on Tuesday, June 14, 2022, the Senate resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole in order to receive Mr. Philippe Dufresne respecting his appointment as Privacy Commissioner;

That the Committee of the Whole report to the Senate no later than 65 minutes after it begins;

That the witness’ introductory remarks last a maximum of five minutes;

That, if a senator does not use the entire period of 10 minutes for debate provided under rule 12-32(3)(d), including the responses of the witness, that senator may yield the balance of time to another senator; and

That the application of rule 3-3(1) be suspended until the committee has reported.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Introduction and First Reading of Government Bills

The Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., introduced Bill S-10, An Act to give effect to the Anishinabek Nation Governance Agreement, to amend the Sechelt Indian Band Self-Government Act and the Yukon First Nations Self-Government Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts.

The bill was read the first time.

The Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson, that the bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Question Period

The Senate proceeded to Question Period.


A point of order was raised concerning Question Period.

After debate,

The Speaker reserved his decision.

SPEAKER'S RULING

Honourable senators, on Thursday, June 2, Senator Plett rose on a point of order concerning various aspects of Question Period. I wish to thank him for having raised his concerns and seeking clarification. I have myself noted various concerns on this point.

The first issue raised pertained to the practice of asking questions to committee chairs. Rule 4-8(1)(c) states that questions can be asked of “a committee chair, on a matter relating to the activities of the committee”. While there is considerable flexibility in questions, those asked of chairs must in some way relate to the committee’s “activities”. We can seek guidance in a ruling of November 13, 1980, which noted that committee activities include “the specific things that are done by the committee, such as the holding of meetings, the election of a chairman, the calling of witnesses, the hiring of staff, advertising, and any other matter relating to the manner in which the committee conducts its proceedings.” This was reiterated in a ruling of March 20, 2007, where the Speaker added that “[g]eneral issues about planning and upcoming work are [also] included in the broad category of committee activities.”

On this matter, I would also remind honourable senators that questions cannot be asked of chairs of subcommittees. As explained in a ruling of September 29, 2010, this is “because the subcommittee reports to this house through the chair of the committee.” Any question pertaining to a subcommittee should therefore be directed to the chair of the committee in question.

The second issue raised pertained to the length of questions and answers. On this point, I would like to remind the Senate that rule 4-8(2) states that there shall be “no debate during Question Period, and only brief comments or explanatory remarks shall be allowed.” As explained on May 10, 2006:

The rationale for prohibiting debate during Question Period and for creating Delayed Answers is due, in part, to the limited time given to Question Period. The thirty minutes allotted for questions and answers is to promote the immediate exchange of information about the policies of the [g]overnment or the work of a committee.

In the interest of fairness, senators should thus keep their questions and answers brief. This will allow responses to be brief and will allow as many colleagues as possible to participate.

Senators have also taken to sometimes asking two, three, or even four questions at once. This practice circumvents the whole purpose of having a list of senators to participate in Question Period and leads to long and complex answers. I encourage colleagues to ask brief, focused and clear questions, and for answers to be similarly concise.

Before concluding, I would also repeat previous cautions about supplementary questions. These should relate to the main question. They are meant as an opportunity to request clarification, not to ask a completely different, unrelated question. If a senator wishes to ask a different question, their name should go back on the list for a new question.

Question Period in the Senate has traditionally been characterized by the respectful and useful exchange of information. I would encourage all senators to reflect on this and to continue to conduct themselves in a manner that serves all colleagues and the institution.

Orders of the Day

Government Business

Bills – Third Reading

Third reading of Bill C-8, An Act to implement certain provisions of the economic and fiscal update tabled in Parliament on December 14, 2021 and other measures.

The Honourable Senator Gignac moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gerba, that the bill be read for a third time.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on the following vote:

YEAS

The Honourable Senators

AndersonAudetteBellemareBlackBoehmBoveyBussonCampbellChristmasClementCormierCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisGagnéGerbaGignacGoldGreeneHartlingKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaLovelace NicholasMarwahMcCallumMégieMiville-DechêneMoncionPatePetitclercQuinnRavaliaRinguetteSaint-GermainSorensenTannasVernerYussuff—51

NAYS

The Honourable Senators

AtaullahjanBattersBoisvenuHousakosMacDonaldMarshallMocklerOhPlettRichardsSeidmanSmithWells—13

ABSTENTIONS

The Honourable Senators

Nil

Accordingly, Bill C-8 was read a third time and passed.

Ordered, That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed this bill without amendment.

MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

A message was brought from the House of Commons with Bill C-19, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on April 7, 2022 and other measures, to which it desires the concurrence of the Senate.

The bill was read the first time.

The Honourable Senator Gagné moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., that the bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Government Business

Bills – Second Reading

Second reading of Bill S-9, An Act to amend the Chemical Weapons Convention Implementation Act.

The Honourable Senator Coyle moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Deacon (Nova Scotia), that the bill be read the second time.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Wells moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.


With leave of the Senate,

The Honourable Senator Gagné moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

That, when the Senate next adjourns after the adoption of this motion, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday, June 14, 2022, at 2 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Motions

Orders No. 1 and 46 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Inquiries

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Other Business

Senate Public Bills – Third Reading

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Senate Public Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Jaffer, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cormier, for the second reading of Bill S-235, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Wells moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Batters, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Order No. 17 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Boisvenu, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, for the second reading of Bill S-238, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights (information about the victim).

The Honourable Senator Duncan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Clement, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 19, 20 and 21 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Patterson, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cormier, for the second reading of Bill S-242, An Act to amend the Radiocommunication Act.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Duncan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Clement, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

WRITTEN DECLARATION OF ROYAL ASSENT

At 5:30 p.m., the Honourable the Speaker informed the Senate that the following communication had been received:

RIDEAU HALL

June 9, 2022

Mr. Speaker,

I have the honour to inform you that the Right Honourable Mary May Simon, Governor General of Canada, signified royal assent by written declaration to the bill listed in the Schedule to this letter on the 9th day of June, 2022, at 5:09 p.m.

Yours sincerely,

Ian McCowan

Secretary to the Governor General and Herald Chancellor

The Honourable

The Speaker of the Senate

Ottawa

Schedule

Bill Assented To

Thursday, June 9, 2022

An Act to implement certain provisions of the economic and fiscal update tabled in Parliament on December 14, 2021 and other measures (Bill C-8, Chapter 5, 2022)

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Gagné moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

(Accordingly, at 5:32 p.m., the Senate was continued until Tuesday, June 14, 2022, at 2 p.m.)

DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)

Copy of the Regulations Amending the Special Economic Measures (Russia) Regulations (P.C. 2022-637), pursuant to the Special Economic Measures Act, S.C. 1992, c. 17, sbs. 7(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-860.

Report of the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, together with the Auditors’ Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Public Sector Pension Investment Board Act, S.C. 1999, c. 34, sbs. 48(3).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-861.

Report of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner on the performance of his duties and functions under the Conflict of Interest Act in relation to public office holders, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Parliament of Canada Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-1, sbs. 90(1)(b).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-862.

Charter Statement prepared by the Minister of Justice in relation to Bill S-8, An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, pursuant to the Department of Justice Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. J-2, sbs. 4.2(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-863.

Charter Statement prepared by the Minister of Justice in relation to Bill S-9, An Act to amend the Chemical Weapons Convention Implementation Act, pursuant to the Department of Justice Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. J-2, sbs. 4.2(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-864.

WRITTEN REPLIES TO ORAL QUESTIONS AND TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO THE ORDERS ADOPTED NOVEMBER 25, 2021, AND MAY 5, 2022

Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on December 7, 2021, by the Honourable Senator Boisvenu, concerning the Ombudsman of Victims of Crime.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-865S.

Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on March 29, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Boisvenu, concerning mental health services.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-866S.

Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on April 5, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Poirier, concerning support for veterans.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-867S.

Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on April 28, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Wells, concerning the detention of Canadians in the Dominican Republic.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-868S.

Reply to Question No. 157, dated April 26, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions’s Calls to Action 72 to 76.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-869S.

Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5

Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples

The Honourable Senator Loffreda replaced the Honourable Senator Coyle (June 9, 2022).

The Honourable Senator Duncan replaced the Honourable Senator Hartling (June 8, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry

The Honourable Senator Cotter replaced the Honourable Senator Ringuette (June 9, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources

The Honourable Senator Arnot replaced the Honourable Senator Kutcher (June 9, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

The Honourable Senator Harder, P.C., replaced the Honourable Senator Cordy (June 9, 2022).

The Honourable Senator Cordy replaced the Honourable Senator Harder, P.C. (June 9, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs

The Honourable Senator Clement replaced the Honourable Senator Simons (June 9, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on National Finance

The Honourable Senator Galvez replaced the Honourable Senator Moncion (June 8, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence

The Honourable Senator Deacon (Ontario) replaced the Honourable Senator Boniface (June 8, 2022).

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