The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

AdlerAl ZaibakAndersonArnotAtaullahjanAucoinAudetteBattersBellemareBernardBonifaceBoyerBrazeauBureyBussonCardozoCarignanClementCordyCotterCoyleCuznerDalphondDaskoDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDuncanForestFrancisFridhandlerGagnéGalvezGerbaGignacGoldGreenwoodHarderHartlingHousakosKingstonKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMassicotteMcBeanMcCallumMcNairMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMoncionMoodieMoreauMuggliOmidvarOslerOudarPatePattersonPetitclercPettenPlettQuinnRavaliaRichardsRobinsonRossSaint-GermainSeidmanSeniorSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVaroneVernerWallinWells (Alberta)Wells (Newfoundland and Labrador)WhiteWooYussuff

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

AdlerAl ZaibakAndersonArnotAtaullahjanAucoinAudetteBattersBellemareBernardBonifaceBoyerBrazeauBureyBussonCardozoCarignanClementCordyCotterCoyleCuznerDalphondDaskoDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)Dean*DowneDuncanForestFrancisFridhandlerGagnéGalvezGerbaGignacGoldGreenwoodHarderHartlingHousakosKingstonKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMassicotteMcBeanMcCallumMcNairMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMoncionMoodieMoreauMuggliOmidvarOslerOudarPatePattersonPetitclercPettenPlettQuinnRavaliaRichards*RinguetteRobinsonRossSaint-GermainSeidmanSeniorSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVaroneVernerWallinWells (Alberta)Wells (Newfoundland and Labrador)WhiteWooYussuff

The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.

An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.

PRAYERS

Senators’ Statements

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

Introduction and First Reading of Government Bills

A message was brought from the House of Commons with Bill C-76, An Act to amend the Canada National Parks Act, to which it desires the concurrence of the Senate.

The bill was read the first time.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the Senate on September 25, 2024, the bill was placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading later this day.

Question Period

The Senate proceeded to Question Period.

Delayed Answers

Pursuant to rule 4-9(7), the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson tabled the following:

Response to Question No. 160, dated May 5, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding dividends paid to the Government of Canada — Department of Finance Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3407S.

Response to Question No. 160, dated May 5, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding dividends paid to the Government of Canada — Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3408S.

Response to Question No. 217, dated March 8, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the Shared Equity Mortgage Providers Fund.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3409S.

Response to Question No. 220, dated March 22, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding foreign interference.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3410S.

Response to Question No. 222, dated March 22, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the Trans Mountain Corporation.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3411S.

Response to Question No. 223, dated March 30, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the Royal Canadian Air Force.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3412S.

Response to Question No. 238, dated September 19, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the ArriveCAN application — Health Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3413S.

Response to Question No. 238, dated September 19, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the ArriveCAN application — Privy Council Office.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3414S.

Response to Question No. 238, dated September 19, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the ArriveCAN application — Canada Border Services Agency.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3415S.

Response to Question No. 238, dated September 19, 2023, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding the ArriveCAN application — Public Services and Procurement Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3416S.

Orders of the Day

Government Business

Second reading of Bill C-76, An Act to amend the Canada National Parks Act.

The Honourable Senator Sorensen moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petten, that the bill be read the second time.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The bill was then read the second time.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the Senate on September 25, 2024, the bill was referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources.

Bills – Third Reading

Third reading of Bill C-49, An Act to amend the Canada—Newfoundland and Labrador Atlantic Accord Implementation Act and the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.

The Honourable Senator Petten moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson, that the bill be read for a third time.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Tannas moved, for the Honourable Senator Prosper, seconded by the Honourable Senator Deacon (Nova Scotia), that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was negatived, on division.

The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Petten, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson, for the third reading of Bill C-49, An Act to amend the Canada—Newfoundland and Labrador Atlantic Accord Implementation Act and the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted, on division.

The bill was then read the third time and passed.

Ordered, That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed this bill, without amendment.

Bills – Reports of Committees

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees – Other

Orders No. 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26 and 27 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Orders No. 1, 132, 167 and 172 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Inquiries

Orders No. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Other Business

Bills – Messages from the House of Commons

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Senate Public Bills – Third Reading

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Commons Public Bills – Third Reading

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Martin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Plett, for the third reading of Bill C-241, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (deduction of travel expenses for tradespersons).

The Honourable Senator Clement moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Omidvar, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Senate Public Bills – Reports of Committees

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Cotter, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dean, for the adoption of the twenty-seventh report of the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs (Bill S-250, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (sterilization procedures), with an amendment and observations), presented in the Senate on September 24, 2024.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Senate Public Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Boisvenu, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, for the second reading of Bill S-255, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (murder of an intimate partner, one’s own child or an intimate partner’s child).

Ordered: That further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Clement.

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Orders No. 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Ataullahjan, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin, for the second reading of Bill S-267, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (aggravating circumstance — evacuation order or emergency).

The Honourable Senator Ataullahjan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Gerba, seconded by the Honourable Senator White, for the second reading of Bill S-286, An Act respecting National Immigration Month.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Ataullahjan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Ordered : That Order No. 25 be again called.

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Dasko, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc, for the second reading of Bill S-283, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (demographic information).

After debate,

With leave of the Senate,

Further debate on the motion was adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Martin.

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Orders No. 29 and 30 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Commons Public Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees – Other

Orders No. 31, 33, 40, 62, 63, 72 and 73 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Orders No. 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 19, 30, 77, 96, 107 and 147 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Simons, seconded by the Honourable Senator Greenwood:

That the Senate of Canada:

1.call on the Chief Actuary within the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions to publish an actuarial study that reports on:

(a)a possible exit of Alberta from the Canada Pension Plan (CPP), including an analysis of the viability of the CPP after such an exit by Alberta;

(b)a reasonable estimate of an exit cost of Alberta’s share of the Canada Pension Plan fund; and

(c)any other information that the Chief Actuary deems to be relevant in the study of this issue; and

2.call on the Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer to study a possible exit of Alberta from the CPP, including any fiscal and/or economic impacts of such an exit from the CPP on Canadians.

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 181, 201, 202, 216 and 219 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Inquiries

Orders No. 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20 and 21 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Cardozo, calling the attention of the Senate to the future of the CBC/Radio-Canada.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator White moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bernard, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Order No. 26 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

(Accordingly, at 5:24 p.m., the Senate was continued until tomorrow at 2 p.m.)

DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)

Federal Framework on Autism Spectrum Disorder, pursuant to the Federal Framework on Autism Spectrum Disorder Act, S.C. 2023, c. 2, s. 3(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3400.

Summaries of the Corporate Plan and Budgets for 2024-25 to 2028-29 of the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3401.

Annual Report on the Fighting Against Forced Labour and Child Labour in Supply Chains Act for the year 2024, pursuant to the Act, S.C. 2023, c. 9, s. 24(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3402.

Report on the applications for ministerial review (miscarriages of justice) for the year 2024, pursuant to the Criminal Code, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46, s. 696.5.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3403.

Reports of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3404.

Reports of the Office of the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3405.

Reports of the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada for the reporting year 2023-24, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3406.

Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5

Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry

The Honourable Senator Miville-Dechêne replaced the Honourable Senator Sorensen (September 27, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Petitclerc replaced the Honourable Senator Mégie (September 27, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Commerce and the Economy

The Honourable Senator Saint-Germain replaced the Honourable Senator Ringuette (September 27, 2024).

The Honourable Senator McNair was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (September 27, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources

The Honourable Senator Sorensen replaced the Honourable Senator Miville-Dechêne (September 27, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Petten was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (September 27, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

The Honourable Senator Aucoin was added to the membership (October 1, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Osler was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (October 1, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Petten was added to the membership (October 1, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs

The Honourable Senator Klyne replaced the Honourable Senator Anderson (October 1, 2024).

Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament

The Honourable Senator McNair replaced the Honourable Senator Ringuette (September 27, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

The Honourable Senator Petitclerc replaced the Honourable Senator Kingston (September 27, 2024).