Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
Social Affairs, Science and Technology
Issue 2 - Minutes of Proceedings
OTTAWA, Thursday, March 15, 2001
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology met this day in camera, in Room 705, Victoria Building, at 11:09 a.m., the Chair, the Honourable Michael Kirby, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Callbeck, Cook, Cordy, Fairbairn, P.C., Graham, P.C., Kirby, Morin, and Roche (8).
In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Odette Madore and Howard Chodos.
Also in attendance: Interpreters: Carole Chénier, Martin Rochon and Nicholas Irving; Pages: Melanie Bratkoski, Josh Watt and Jason Pearman; Committees and Private Legislation Directorate: Josée Thérien, Legislative Clerk and Debbie Pizzoferrato, Administrative Assistant; from the Office of Senator M. Kirby, Jeanne Pratt; from the Office of Senator L. Pépin, Momar Diagne; from the Office of Senator J.M. Cordy, Jamie MacNeil, and from Messenger Services, Sylvain Labelle.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, March 1, 2001, the committee began its consideration of the special study on the state of the health care system in Canada.
It was agreed -- That the draft report on Phase One be adopted and that the Chair be authorized to table the report once it has been printed.
It was agreed -- That the committee adopt its workplan for Phase II of its study.
It was agreed -- That the committee adopt its workplan for Phase IV of its study.
It was moved by Senator Fairbairn -- That, pursuant to Rule 94, committee members disclose the existence, source, and nature, but not the value, of their private financial interests, whether held directly or indirectly, in respect of the committee's order of reference relating to the state of the health care system, which the committee was authorized by the Senate to study on March 1, 2001; and
That members be required to file the disclosure of private financial interests with the Clerk of the Committee by April 26, 2001, after which date members who have not filed such a disclosure shall, in accordance with Rule 94(7) be deemed to have declared that they have no private financial interests related to this order of reference; and
That, in accordance with Rule 94(7), future members of the committee be required to complete this declaration within 30 days of being added to the membership of the committee; and
That members be authorized, in accordance with Rule 94(5), to file with the Clerk of the Committee from time to time an update to this disclosure.
That, the Clerk be authorized to provide copies of disclosures by facsimile or post to the public upon request.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Chairman presented to the committee two options for a draft budget for the special study on the health care system. The first draft budget reflected travel for public hearings with 12 senators over 18 days. The second draft budget reflected travel for public hearings with 7 senators over 15 days.
After debate,
It was agreed -- That the second draft budget was a preferred option for the committee if it were possible for some members to use their points to travel for the public hearings.
It was agreed -- That the committee concur in the following budget applications for the purpose of its consideration of the state of the health care system in Canada and that the Chair, after consultation with the Deputy Chair, be authorized to submit the said budget options to the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration for its consideration:
Option A
Professional and Special Services $ 102,844.00
Transportation and Communications $ 307,444.00
Other Expenditures $ 13,000.00
TOTAL $ 423,288.00
Option B
Professional and Special Services $ 87,031.00
Transportation and Communications $ 197,244.00
Other Expenditures $ 13,000.00
TOTAL $ 297,275.00
The committee discussed future business.
It was moved by Senator Callbeck -- That the committee concur in the following budget application for the purpose of its consideration of such bills, subject matters of bills and estimates referred to it, and that the Chair submit the said budget to the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration for approval:
| Pro fessional and Special Services
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$ 7,500.00
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| Trans portation and Com munica tions
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$ 5,500.00
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| Other Ex penditures
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$ 500.00
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| TOTAL
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$ 13,500.00
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It was moved by the Honourable Senator Cordy -- That the committee authorize the Chair to seek $1,000.00 in Emergency Funds for the purpose of its consideration of the state of the health care system.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
At 11:50 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Wednesday, March 21, 2001
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology met this day, in Room 705, Victoria Building, at 3:45 p.m., the Chair, the Honourable Michael Kirby, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Callbeck, Cohen, Cook, Cordy, Graham, P.C., Kirby, LeBreton, Morin, Roche and Rompkey , P.C. (10).
Other senators present: The Honourable Senators Keon and Tunney (2).
In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Odette Madore and Howard Chodos; form the Committees and Private Legislation Directorate: Josée Therien, Legislative Clerk.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, March 1, 2001, the committee continued its consideration of the special study on the state of the health care system in Canada.
WITNESSES:
From Statistics Canada:
Réjean Lachapelle, Director, Demography Divison;
Jean-Marie Berthelot, Manager, Health Analysis and Modeling Group, Social and Economic Studies Division;
Brian Murphy, Senior Research Analyst, Socio-Economic Modeling Group.
From the Canadian Institute of Actuaries:
David Oakden, President;
Rob Brown, Member of Task Force on Health Care Financing;
Daryl Leech, Chair, Committee on Health Care.
From the National Advisory Council on Aging:
Dr. Michael Gordon, Member.
From the Conference Board of Canada:
James G. Frank, Ph.D., Chief Economist and Vice-President;
Glenn Brimacombe, Director of Health Program.
The Chair made a statement.
Mr. Lachapelle made a statement. Mr. Berthelot made a statement. Mr. Oakden made a statement. Mr. Brown made a statement. The witnesses, together with Mr. Leech and Mr. Murphy answered questions.
The Chair made a statement.
Mr. Frank made a statement. Dr. Gordon made a statement. The witnesses, together with Mr. Brimacombe, answered questions.
At 6:14 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
Catherine Piccinin
Clerk of the Committee