THE STANDING SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL FINANCE

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

OTTAWA, Monday, December 6, 2021
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[English]

Pursuant to the order of the Senate of November 25, 2021, the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance met this day in room B30, Senate of Canada Building and with videoconference at 10:03 a.m. ET, for the purpose of its organization, pursuant to rule 12-13.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senator Marshall (1).

Members of the committee present by videoconference: The Honourable Senators Boehm, Dagenais, Duncan, Forest, Galvez, Gerba, Gignac, Loffreda, Mockler and Pate (10).

Participating in the meeting: Shaila Anwar, Clerk Assistant, Kalina Waltos, Procedural Clerk, Annie Trudel, Administrative Assistant, Committees Directorate; Shaowei Pu and Michaël Lambert-Racine, analysts, Library of Parliament; Stav Nitka, Communications Officer, Communication Directorate.

The clerk of the committee presided over the election of the chair.

The Honourable Senator Marshall moved that the Honourable Senator Mockler do take the chair of the committee.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The clerk invited the Honourable Senator Mockler to take the chair.

The chair presided over the election of the deputy chair.

The Honourable Senator Loffreda moved that the Honourable Senator Forest be deputy chair of the committee.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Duncan moved:

That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be composed of the chair, the deputy chair and two other members of the committee, to be designated after the usual consultation; and

That the subcommittee be empowered to make decisions on behalf of the committee with respect to its agenda, to invite witnesses, and to schedule hearings.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Galvez moved that the committee publish its proceedings.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Loffreda moved that the committee adopt the draft first report, prepared in accordance with rule 12-26(2).

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Pate moved:

That the committee ask the Library of Parliament to assign analysts to the committee;

That the chair be authorized to seek authority from the Senate to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of the committee's examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills, and estimates as are referred to it;

That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be authorized to retain the services of such experts as may be required by the work of the committee; and

That the chair, on behalf of the committee, direct the research staff in the preparation of studies, analyses, summaries, and draft reports.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Dagenais moved:

That, pursuant to section 7, chapter 3:05 of the Senate Administrative Rules, authority to commit funds be conferred individually on the chair, the deputy chair, and the clerk of the committee;

That, pursuant to section 8, chapter 3:05 of the Senate Administrative Rules, authority for certifying accounts payable by the committee be conferred individually on the chair, the deputy chair, and the clerk of the committee; and

That notwithstanding the foregoing, in cases related to consultants and personnel services, the authority to commit funds and certify accounts be conferred jointly on the chair and deputy chair.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Duncan moved that, the committee empower the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure to designate, as required, one or more members of the committee and/or such staff as may be necessary to travel on assignment on behalf of the committee.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Forest moved:

That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be authorized to:

1) determine whether any member of the committee is on “official business” for the purposes of paragraph 8(3)(a) of the Senators Attendance Policy, published in the Journals of the Senate on Wednesday, June 3, 1998; and

2) consider any member of the committee to be on “official business” if that member is: (a) attending an event or meeting related to the work of the committee; or (b) making a presentation related to the work of the committee; and

That the subcommittee report at the earliest opportunity any decisions taken with respect to the designation of members of the committee travelling on committee business.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Gerba moved that, pursuant to the Senate guidelines for witness expenses, the committee may reimburse reasonable travelling and living expenses of one witness per organization upon application, but that the chair be authorized to approve expenses of a second witness from the same organization should there be exceptional circumstances.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Honourable Senator Gignac moved:

That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be empowered to direct communications officer(s) assigned to the committee in the development of communications plans and products where appropriate and to request the services of the Senate Communications Directorate for the purposes of the promotion of their work; and

That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be empowered to allow coverage by electronic media of the committee's public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its proceedings, at its discretion.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The chair moved that the committee proceed in camera to discuss a draft agenda (future business).

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

At 10:19 a.m., the committee suspended.

At 10:24 a.m., pursuant to rule 12-16(1)(d), the committee resumed in camera to discuss a draft agenda (future business)

It was agreed that each committee member be allowed to have one staff member present in Zoom or in the meeting room during the in-camera portion of the meeting.

At 10:54 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.

ATTEST:

Mireille K. Aubé

Clerk of the Committee