Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence
Issue 13 - Minutes of Proceedings
OTTAWA, Monday, February 21, 2005
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera at 9:45 a.m., in room 7, Victoria Building, the Vice-Chair, the Honourable J. Michael Forrestall, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cools, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Losier- Cool, Meighen, Munson and Stollery (10).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price, Analyst; Inspector Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor; and William Bishop, Acting Department of National Defence Liaison.
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its future agenda.
At 9:53 a.m., Senator Kenny assumed the chair.
At 10:10 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 10:15 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 2, Victoria Building.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, December 7, 2004, the committee continued its examination of Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness and to amend or repeal certain Acts. (See Issue No. 12 of the committee's proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
It was agreed that the committee complete clause by clause consideration of Bill C-6.
It was agreed that the title stand postponed.
It was agreed that clause 1 stand postponed.
It was agreed that clause 2 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 3 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 4 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 5 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 6 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 7 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 8 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 9 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 10 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 11 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 12 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 13 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 14 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 15 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 16 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 17 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 18 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 19 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 20 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 21 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 22 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 23 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 24 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 25 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 26 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 27 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 28 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 29 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 30 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 31 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 32 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 33 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
The Chair asked whether clause 34 shall carry.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on the following recorded division:
YEAS: The Honourable Senators Banks, Day, Losier-Cool and Munson — 4.
NAYS: The Honourable Senators Cools, Foorestall and Meighen — 3.
ABSTENTIONS: The Honourable Senators — 0
It was agreed that clause 35 carry, with Senators Cools, Forrestall and Meighen abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 36 carry, with Senators Cools, Forrestall and Meighen abstaining.
The Chair asked whether clause 37 shall carry.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was adopted on the following recorded division:
YEAS: The Honourable Senators Banks, Day, Losier-Cool and Munson — 4.
NAYS: The Honourable Senators Cools, Forrestall and Meighen — 3.
ABSTENTIONS: The Honourable Senators — 0.
It was agreed that clause 37 carry, with Senators Cools, Forrestall and Meighen opposed.
Senator Meighen made a statement.
It was agreed that clause 38 carry, with Senators Cools, Forrestall and Meighen abstaining.
The Chair made a statement.
Debate.
It was agreed that the title carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
It was agreed that clause 1 carry, with Senators Cools and Forrestall abstaining.
The Chair asked whether Bill C-6 would be adopted without amendment.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on the following recorded division:
YEAS: The Honourable Senators Banks, Day, Losier-Cool and Munson — 4.
NAYS: The Honourable Senators Cools, Forrestall and Meighen — 3.
ABSTENTIONS: The Honourable Senators — 0.
It was agreed that the Chair report Bill C-6 at the next sitting of the Senate.
Debate.
At 11:05 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 11:10 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in Room 7, Victoria Building.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its future agenda.
At 11:37 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 11:42 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 2, Victoria Building.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
WITNESSES:
Dalhousie University:
Richard Gimblett, Research Fellow, Centre for Foreign Policy Studies.
Université du Québec à Montréal (UQAM):
Albert Legault, Professor.
As an individual:
Paul Heinbecker, Former Ambassador to the United Nations.
National Defence:
Vice-Admiral Greg Jarvis, Assistant Deputy Minister (Human Resources — Military).
The Chair made an opening statement.
Richard Gimblett made a presentation and answered questions.
At 1:00 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 1:13 p.m. p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in room 7, Victoria Building.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 2:00 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 2:04 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 2, Victoria Building.
The Chair made an opening statement.
Albert Legault and Paul Heinbecker each made a presentation and answered questions.
At 3:40 p.m., Senator Forrestall assumed the chair.
At 4:05 p.m., Senator Kenny returned to the chair.
At 4:09 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 4:14 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.
The Chair made an opening statement.
Vice-Admiral Greg Jarvis made a presentation and answered questions.
At 5:53 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 6:00 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in room 7, Victoria Building.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 6:08 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
Daniel Charbonneau
Co-Clerk of the Committee