Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Finance
Issue 16 - Minutes of Proceedings
OTTAWA, Wednesday, July 7, 2010
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Finance met this day, at 9:06 a.m., in room 2, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Joseph A. Day, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Angus, Baker, P.C., Callbeck, Day, Finley, Gerstein, Marshall, Mitchell, Moore, Murray, P.C., Neufeld, Ringuette and Runciman (13).
Other senators present: The Honourable Senators Banks, Brown, Dickson, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Mahovlich and Stewart Olsen (6).
In attendance: John Bulmer, Lydia Scratch and Sylvain Fleury, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament; Francine Pressault, Communications Officer, Communications Directorate.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, June 10, 2010, the committee continued its examination of Bill C-9, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 4, 2010 and other measures. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 9.)
APPEARING:
The Honourable Christian Paradis, P.C., M.P., Minister of Natural Resources.
WITNESSES:
Carleton University:
John Cadham, Doctoral Research Fellow, Centre for Security and Defence Studies, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.
Ontario Society of Professional Engineers:
Paul Acchione, P. Eng., Chair, Energy Task Force.
Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation (CDIC):
Claudia Morrow, Vice-President, Corporate Affairs, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary;
David Walker, Managing Director, Policy, Insurance and International Affairs, Canada Deposit Insurance Company.
Natural Resources Canada:
Philip Jennings, Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office.
Privy Council Office:
Serge Dupont, Special Advisor, NRCan on Nuclear Energy Policy.
Justice Canada:
Jenifer Aitken, Senior Counsel, Industry Canada, Legal Services.
The chair made an opening statement.
Mr. Cadham and Mr. Acchione each made a presentation and, together, answered questions.
At 10:34 a.m., the committee suspended.
At 10:38 a.m., the committee resumed.
Ms. Morrow and Mr. Walker each made a presentation and, together, answered questions.
At 11:03 a.m., the committee suspended.
At 11:05 a.m., the committee resumed.
Mr. Paradis made a presentation and, together with Mr. Jennings, Mr. Dupont and Ms. Aitken, answered questions
At 12:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Wednesday, July 7, 2010
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Finance met this day, at 2:00 p.m., in room 2, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Joseph A. Day, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Baker, P.C., Callbeck, Day, Dickson, Duffy, Finley, Frum, Gerstein, Marshall, Mitchell, Moore, Murray, P.C., Neufeld, Ringuette and Runciman (15).
Other senators present: The Honourable Senators Angus, Banks and Tkachuk (3).
In attendance: Lydia Scratch and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament; Francine Pressault, Communications Officer, Communications Directorate.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, June 10, 2010, the committee continued its examination of Bill C-9, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 4, 2010 and other measures. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 9.)
WITNESSES:
Department of Finance Canada:
Brian Ernewein, General Director, Tax Policy Branch;
Lalith Kottachchi, Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Tax Policy Branch.
As an individual:
C.E.S. (Ned) Franks, Professor Emeritus, Department of Political Studies, Queen's University.
The chair made an opening statement.
Mr. Ernewein made a presentation and, together with Mr. Kottachchi, answered questions.
At 3:05 p.m., the committee suspended.
At 3:09 p.m., the committee resumed.
Mr. Franks made a presentation and answered questions.
At 4:36 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Thursday, July 8, 2010
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Finance met this day, at 9:02 a.m., in room 2, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Joseph A. Day, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Andreychuk, Baker, P.C., Callbeck, Cowan, Day, Dickson, Finley, Gerstein, Marshall, Mitchell, Moore, Murray, P.C., Neufeld, Ringuette and Runciman (15).
Other senator present: The Honourable Senator Banks (1).
In attendance: Lydia Scratch and Sylvian Fleury, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament; Francine Pressault, Communications Officer, Communications Directorate.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, June 10, 2010, the committee continued its examination of Bill C-9, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 4, 2010 and other measures. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 9.)
APPEARING:
Mike Lake, M.P., Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry.
WITNESSES:
Industry Canada:
Susan Bincoletto, Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Spectrum, Information Technologies and Telecommunications;
Pamela Miller, Director General, Telecommunications Policy Branch.
The chair made an opening statement.
Mr. Lake made a presentation and, together with Ms. Bincoletto and Ms. Miller, answered questions.
At 10:08 a.m., the committee suspended.
At 11:00 a.m., the committee resumed.
The chair made a statement.
It was agreed that the committee proceed to clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-9, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 4, 2010 and other measures.
With leave, it was agreed that the committee group clauses by the 24 parts identified in the bill, where appropriate.
It was agreed that the title stand postponed.
It was agreed that clause 1, containing the short title, stand postponed.
It was agreed that clauses 2 to 36 carry, on division.
After debate, it was agreed, that clauses 37 to 54 carry, on division.
The chair asked whether clause 55 shall carry.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 6.
It was agreed that clauses 56 to 95 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 96 and 97 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 98 to 103 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 104 to 1645 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1646 to 1648 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clause 1649 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1650 to 1785 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1786 to 1827 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1828 to 1830 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1831 to 1833 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1834 to 1850 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1851 to 1861 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1862 to 1884 carry, on division.
The chair asked whether clause 1885 shall carry.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 6.
It was agreed that clauses 1886 to 1893 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 1894 to 2136 carry, on division.
With leave, the Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved:
That Bill C-9 be amended, on page 702, by adding after line 13 the following:
``2142.1 (1) Before the Governor in Council gives an approval under section 2139 or 2140 or subsection 2141(1) or issues a directive under subsection 2141(2), the Minister shall cause a report on the proposed measure to which the approval or directive relates to be laid before each House of Parliament.
(2) The report need not include any information the publication of which would, in the opinion of the Minister, be detrimental to Canada's interests or to the commercial interests of AECL, or the corporation or other entity who is proposing to take the measure or to whom the directive is to be issued, as the case may be.
(3) The Governor in Council may give an approval under section 2139 or 2140 or subsection 2141(1) or issue a directive under subsection 2141(2) only if
(a) each House of Parliament approves, by resolution, the proposed measure to which the approval or directive relates; or
(b) 30 sitting days have elapsed after the tabling of the report in both Houses and neither House has, by resolution, disapproved of the proposed measure to which the approval or directive relates.
(4) In this section, ``sitting day'' means a day on which either House of Parliament sits.''.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 6.
The chair asked whether clauses 2137 to 2148 shall carry.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 6.
It was agreed that clauses 2149 to 2151 carry, on division.
The chair asked whether clauses 2152 to 2171 shall carry.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 6.
It was agreed that clauses 2172 to 2179 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 2180 to 2183 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clause 2184 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clauses 2185 to 2208 carry, on division.
It was agreed that Schedule 1 carry, on division.
It was agreed that Schedule 2 carry, on division.
It was agreed that Schedule 3 carry, on division.
It was agreed that clause 1, containing the short title, carry.
It was agreed that the title carry.
The Honourable Senator Mitchell moved:
That the Law Clerk be authorized to renumber clauses to reflect clauses that have been struck from the bill with any cross-references to be renumbered accordingly.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted, on division.
It was agreed that the bill, as amended, carry.
It was agreed that the chair report the bill, as amended, to the Senate.
At 11:39 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
Adam Thompson
Clerk of the Committee