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66 Elizabeth II , A.D. 2017, Canada

1st Session, 42nd Parliament

Issue 152 (Unrevised)

Thursday, October 26, 2017
1:30 p.m.

The Honourable GEORGE J. FUREY, Speaker


The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

AndreychukBattersBellemareBlackBoisvenuBoveyBrazeauCampbellCarignanChristmasCoolsCordyCormierDagenaisDawsonDayDowneDoyleDuffyDyckEatonEnvergaForestFrumFureyGagnéGalvezGoldGreeneGriffinHarderHartlingHousakosJoyalLankinLovelace NicholasMacDonaldMaltaisManningMarshallMartinMarwahMassicotteMcInnisMcIntyreMcPhedranMégieMercerMitchellMoncionMunsonNeufeldNgoOgilvieOhOmidvarPatePattersonPetitclercPlettPoirierPratteRaineRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSmithStewart OlsenTannasTkachukUngerVernerWattWellsWetstonWhiteWoo

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

AndreychukBattersBellemareBlackBoisvenuBoveyBrazeauCampbellCarignanChristmasCoolsCordyCormierDagenaisDawsonDayDowneDoyleDuffyDyckEatonEnvergaForestFrumFureyGagnéGalvezGoldGreeneGriffinHarderHartlingHousakosJoyalLankinLovelace NicholasMacDonaldMaltaisManningMarshallMartinMarwahMassicotteMcInnisMcIntyreMcPhedranMégieMercerMitchellMoncionMunsonNeufeldNgoOgilvieOhOmidvarPatePattersonPetitclercPlettPoirierPratteRaineRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSmithStewart OlsenTannasTkachukUngerVernerWattWellsWetstonWhiteWoo

The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.

An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.

PRAYERS

Senators’ Statements

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees

The Honourable Senator Neufeld, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources, presented the eleventh report of the committee (Budget—study on the effects of transitioning to a low carbon economy—power to travel).

(The report is printed as an appendix at pages 2559-2565 (available in print format PDF).)

(The HTML version of the report is available on the committee website.)

The Honourable Senator Neufeld moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator White presented the following:

Thursday, October 26, 2017

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament has the honour to present its

NINTH REPORT

Pursuant to rule 12-7(2)(a), your committee recommends that the Rules of the Senate be amended by:

1.replacing rule 12-8(2) by the following:

Service fee proposals

12-8. (2) When the Leader or Deputy Leader of the Government tables a service fee proposal, it is deemed referred to the standing or special committee designated by the Leader or Deputy Leader of the Government following consultations with the Leader or Deputy Leader of the Opposition, and the leader or facilitator of any other recognized party or recognized parliamentary group.

REFERENCE

Service Fees Act, subsection 15(1)”;

2.replacing rule 12-22(5) by the following:

Approval of service fees

12-22. (5) If a service fee proposal has been referred to a properly appointed and constituted committee, and that committee does not report within 20 sitting days following the day it received the order of reference, it shall be deemed to have recommended approval of the service fee.

REFERENCE

Service Fees Act, subsection 15(3)”;

3.adding the following new definition to Appendix I in alphabetical order:

Service fee proposal

A proposal in relation to a service fee developed under the Service Fees Act.  Similar proposals were previously referred to as “user fee proposals.” (Proposition de frais de service)”;

4.by deleting the definition of “User fee proposal” in Appendix I; and

5.updating all cross references in the Rules, including the lists of exceptions, accordingly.

Respectfully submitted,

VERNON WHITE

Deputy Chair

The Honourable Senator White moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maltais, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Housakos, Chair of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, tabled the twentieth report of the committee (International Travel Report — Senator Galvez).—Sessional Paper No. 1/42-1659S.

Tabling of Reports from Interparliamentary Delegations

The Honourable Senator MacDonald tabled the following:

Report of the Canadian Delegation of the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the Pacific NorthWest Economic Region 26th annual summit, held in Calgary, Alberta, from July 17 to 21, 2016.—Sessional Paper No. 1/42-1660.

Report of the Canadian Delegation of the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 56th annual meeting and Regional Policy Forum of the Council of State Governments, held in Québec, Quebec, from August 7 to 10, 2016.—Sessional Paper No. 1/42-1661.

Report of the Canadian Delegation of the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the Canadian-American Border Trade Alliance Conference, held in Washington, D.C., United States of America, from October 2 to 4, 2016.—Sessional Paper No. 1/42-1662.

Question Period

The Senate proceeded to Question Period.

Orders of the Day

Ordered, That motion No. 259 standing in the name of the Honourable Senator Dagenais on the Notice Paper be brought forward.

The Honourable Senator Dagenais moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator McIntyre:

That, notwithstanding the orders of the Senate adopted on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, and Tuesday, June 20, 2017, the date for the final report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence in relation to its study of issues related to creating a defined, professional and consistent system for veterans as they leave the Canadian Armed Forces be extended from October 31, 2017 to March 31, 2018.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Orders of the Day

Government Business

Bills – Messages from the House of Commons

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Cordy, seconded by the Honourable Senator Richards, for the second reading of Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Statistics Act.

The Honourable Senator Griffin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Housakos, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Order No. 4 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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The Honourable Senator Bellemare moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc:

That, in order to allow the Senate to receive a Minister of the Crown during Question Period as authorized by the Senate on December 10, 2015, and notwithstanding rule 4-7, when the Senate sits on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Question Period shall begin at 3:30 p.m., with any proceedings then before the Senate being interrupted until the end of Question Period, which shall last a maximum of 40 minutes;

That, if a standing vote would conflict with the holding of Question Period at 3:30 p.m. on that day, the vote be postponed until immediately after the conclusion of Question Period;

That, if the bells are ringing for a vote at 3:30 p.m. on that day, they be interrupted for Question Period at that time, and resume thereafter for the balance of any time remaining; and

That, if the Senate concludes its business before 3:30 p.m. on that day, the sitting be suspended until that time for the purpose of holding Question Period.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Bellemare moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Harder, P.C.:

That, when the Senate next adjourns after the adoption of this motion, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday, October 31, 2017, at 2 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Inquiries

Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Other Business

Senate Public Bills – Third Reading

Orders No. 1 to 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Commons Public Bills – Third Reading

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Lankin, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc, for the third reading of Bill C-210, An Act to amend the National Anthem Act (gender).

And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Beyak, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dagenais:

That Bill C-210 be not now read a third time, but that it be amended, on page 1, by adding the following after line 6:

“2 This Act comes into force on the later of July 1, 2017 and the day on which it receives royal assent.”.

After debate,

In amendment, the Honourable Senator Ngo moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Enverga:

That the motion in amendment moved by the Honourable Senator Beyak be amended by replacing the words “the later of July 1, 2017 and the day on which it receives royal assent” with the words “December 1, 2017”.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Plett moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Wells, that further debate on the subamendment be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Senate Public Bills – Reports of Committees

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Senate Public Bills – Second Reading

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Patterson, seconded by the Honourable Senator Enverga, for the second reading of Bill S-221, An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Property qualifications of Senators).

The Honourable Senator Smith moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 3 to 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Commons Public Bills – Second Reading

Second reading of Bill C-211, An Act respecting a federal framework on post-traumatic stress disorder.

The Honourable Senator White moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Enverga, that the bill be read the second time.

The Honourable Senator White moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Enverga, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 2 to 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees – Other

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.


Ordered : That Order No. 5, under Commons Public Bills - Second Reading, be again called.

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Andreychuk, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, for the second reading of Bill C-337, An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Criminal Code (sexual assault).

The Honourable Senator Omidvar moved, for the Honourable Senator Sinclair, seconded by the Honourable Senator Pate, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Reports of Committees – Other

Orders No. 5 to 8, 10 and 15 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Lang, seconded by the Honourable Senator Smith, for the adoption of the tenth report (interim) of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, entitled Military underfunded: The walk must match the talk, deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on April 13, 2017.

And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Eggleton, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Day:

That the tenth report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be not now adopted, but that it be amended by deleting the second recommendation.

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Plett, that further debate on the motion in amendment be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Lang, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin:

That the eleventh report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, entitled Reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces: A plan for the future, deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on May 8, 2017, be adopted and that, pursuant to rule 12-24(1), the Senate request a complete and detailed response from the government, with the Minister of National Defence being identified as minister responsible for responding to the report.

And on the motion of the Honourable Senator Eggleton, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Day:

That the eleventh report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be not now adopted, but that it be referred back to the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence for consideration, particularly in light of the document entitled Strong, Secure, Engaged: Canada’s Defence Policy, tabled in the Senate on June 7, 2017.

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Smith, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.


Ordered : That Order No. 3, under Senate Public Bills - Third Reading, be again called.

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Tkachuk, seconded by the Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C., for the third reading of Bill S-219, An Act to deter Iran-sponsored terrorism, incitement to hatred, and human rights violations.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hartling, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Reports of Committees – Other

Orders No. 50 to 52 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Consideration of the sixteenth report (interim) of the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, entitled The Deepening Crisis in Venezuela: Canadian and Regional Stakes, deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on July 20, 2017.

The Honourable Senator Andreychuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stewart Olsen:

That the sixteenth report of the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, entitled The Deepening Crisis in Venezuela: Canadian and Regional Stakes, tabled with the Clerk of the Senate on Thursday, July 20, 2017, be adopted and that, pursuant to rule 12-24(1), the Senate request a complete and detailed response from the government, with the Minister of Foreign Affairs being identified as minister responsible for responding to the report.

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Order No. 54 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Orders No. 31, 73, 89, 92 and 139 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Order No. 146 was called and, pursuant to rule 4-15(2), dropped from the Order Paper and Notice Paper.

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Orders No. 158, 174, 189, 206 and 215 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Order No. 223 was called and, pursuant to rule 4-15(2), dropped from the Order Paper and Notice Paper.

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Order No. 245 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Inquiries

Order No. 1 was called and, pursuant to rule 4-15(2), dropped from the Order Paper and Notice Paper.

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Orders No. 8, 11 to 14 and 18 to 20 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Cordy, calling the attention of the Senate to the importance of identifying palliative care as an insured health service covered under the Canada Health Act and to the importance of developing a national strategy for uniform standards and delivery of palliative care.

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Smith, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.


Ordered : That Order No. 146, under Motions, be again called.

Resuming debate on the motion, as amended, of the Honourable Senator Ringuette, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lankin, P.C.:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade, and Commerce be authorized to:

(a)Review the operations of the Financial Consumer Agency of Canada (FCAC), the Ombudsman for Banking Services and Investments (OBSI), and ADR Chambers Banking Ombuds Office (ADRBO);

(b)Review the agencies’ interaction with and respect for provincial jurisdictions;

(c)Review and determine best practices from similar agencies in other jurisdictions;

(d)Provide recommendations to ensure that the FCAC, OBSI, and ADRBO can better protect consumers and respect provincial jurisdiction; and

That the Committee submit its final report no later than March 18, 2018, and retain all powers necessary to publicize its findings until 180 days after the tabling of the final report.

The Honourable Senator Lankin, P.C., moved, for the Honourable Senator Omidvar, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc, that further debate on the motion, as amended, be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Inquiries

Orders No. 24 to 26 and 28 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Munson, calling the attention of the Senate to the 10th anniversary of its groundbreaking report Pay Now or Pay Later: Autism Families in Crisis.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Mercer moved, for the Honourable Senator Eggleton, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Cordy, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

MOTIONS

The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ringuette:

That, notwithstanding the order of the Senate adopted on Tuesday, September 26, 2017, the date for the final report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance in relation to its study on the proposed changes to the Income Tax Act be extended from November 30, 2017 to December 15, 2017.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Andreychuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C.:

That the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade be authorized to examine and report on the impact and utilization of Canadian culture and arts in Canadian foreign policy and diplomacy, and other related matters; and

That the committee submit its final report no later than March 31, 2018, and that it retain all powers necessary to publicize its findings for 180 days after the tabling of the final report.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Bellemare moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

(Accordingly, at 3:24 p.m., the Senate was continued until Tuesday, October 31, 2017, at 2 p.m.)


Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5 and to the Order of the Senate of December 7, 2016

Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce

The Honourable Senator Greene replaced the Honourable Senator Galvez (October 26, 2017).

The Honourable Senator Boisvenu replaced the Honourable Senator Enverga (October 25, 2017).

Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

The Honourable Senator McCoy replaced the Honourable Senator Brazeau (October 26, 2017).

The Honourable Senator Hartling replaced the Honourable Senator Bovey (October 26, 2017).

The Honourable Senator Dyck was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (October 26, 2017).

The Honourable Senator Unger replaced the Honourable Senator Raine (October 25, 2017).

Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

The Honourable Senator Eaton replaced the Honourable Senator Neufeld (October 26, 2017).

Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration

The Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C., replaced the Honourable Senator Plett (October 25, 2017).

Special Senate Committee on Senate Modernization

The Honourable Senator Dean replaced the Honourable Senator Greene (October 26, 2017).

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

The Honourable Senator Cordy was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (October 26, 2017).

The Honourable Senator Griffin replaced the Honourable Senator Richards (October 26, 2017).