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3 Charles III , A.D. 2024, Canada

1st Session, 44th Parliament

Issue 231 (Unrevised)

Thursday, October 24, 2024
2 p.m.

The Honourable RAYMONDE GAGNÉ, Speaker

The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

AdlerAl ZaibakArnotAtaullahjanAucoinBattersBernardBlackBoehmBonifaceBoudreauBoyerBrazeauBussonCarignanClementCordyCormierCotterCoyleCuznerDagenaisDalphondDaskoDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanForestFrancisFridhandlerGagnéGerbaGoldHarderHousakosKingstonKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldMartinMassicotteMcBeanMcPhedranMégieMoncionMoodieMuggliOmidvarOslerOudarPatePattersonPettenPlettProsperRavaliaRichardsRinguetteRobinsonSaint-GermainSeidmanSeniorSimonsSmithTannasVaroneVernerWallinWells (Alberta)Wells (Newfoundland and Labrador)Woo

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

AdlerAl ZaibakArnotAtaullahjanAucoinBattersBernardBlackBoehmBonifaceBoudreauBoyerBrazeau*BureyBussonCarignanClementCordyCormierCotterCoyleCuznerDagenaisDalphondDaskoDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanForestFrancisFridhandlerGagnéGerbaGold*GreenwoodHarderHousakosKingstonKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldMartinMassicotteMcBeanMcPhedranMégieMoncionMoodieMuggliOmidvarOslerOudarPatePattersonPettenPlettProsperRavaliaRichardsRinguetteRobinson*RossSaint-GermainSeidmanSeniorSimonsSmithTannasVaroneVernerWallinWells (Alberta)Wells (Newfoundland and Labrador)Woo

The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.

An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.

PRAYERS

Senators’ Statements

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees

The Honourable Senator Omidvar, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, presented the committee’s twenty-seventh report (Bill C-232, An Act respecting Arab Heritage Month, without amendment).

The Honourable Senator Cordy moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cuzner, that the bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for third reading at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Notices of Motions

With leave of the Senate,

The Honourable Senator Omidvar moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Clement:

That the twenty-first report, interim, of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, entitled Act Now: Solutions for Temporary and Migrant Labour in Canada, deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on May 21, 2024, and adopted by the Senate on May 30, 2024, be replaced with a corrected version of the report, adopted by the committee on October 10, 2024.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Question Period

The Senate proceeded to Question Period.

Delayed Answers

Pursuant to rule 4-9(7), the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson tabled the following:

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, including the Canadian Pari-Mutuel Agency, Canadian Grain Commission and Farm Products Council of Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3747S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — National Defence, Communications Security Establishment, National Defence and Canadian Armed Forces Ombudsman, Military Grievances External Review Committee and Military Policy Complaints Commission.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3754S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Environment and Climate Change Canada, Impact Assessment Agency of Canada and Parks Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3755S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Employment and Social Development Canada, Accessibility Standards Canada and Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3756S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Health Canada, Public Health Agency of Canada, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Canadian Institutes of Health Research and Patented Medicine Prices Review Board.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3761S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, including special operating agencies, Copyright Board of Canada, Canadian Space Agency, National Research Council Canada, Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada, Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada and Statistics Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3765S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Department of Justice Canada, Canadian Human Rights Commission and Administrative Tribunals Support Service of Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3766S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Natural Resources Canada, Canada Energy Regulator, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission and Northern Pipeline Agency.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3767S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Canadian Heritage, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, Library and Archives Canada, National Battlefields Commission, National Film Board of Canada, Canadian Conservation Institute and Canadian Heritage Information Network.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3769S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Public Safety Canada, Canada Border Services Agency, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Correctional Service of Canada, Parole Board of Canada and Royal Canadian Mounted Police.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3773S.

Response to Question No. 38, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding classified or protected documents — Canadian Intergovernmental Conference Secretariat, Public Service Commission of Canada and Transportation Safety Board of Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3778S.

Orders of the Day

Government Business

Bills – Third Reading

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Omidvar, seconded by the Honourable Senator Clement, for the third reading of Bill C-20, An Act establishing the Public Complaints and Review Commission and amending certain Acts and statutory instruments.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Reports of Committees – Other

Orders No. 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26 and 27 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Motions

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson:

That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada:

To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Mary May Simon, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Merit of the Police Forces, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:

We, Her Majesty’s most loyal and dutiful subjects, the Senate of Canada in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.

After debate,

With leave of the Senate,

Further debate on the motion was adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett.

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Orders No. 132, 167 and 172 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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The Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

That, in accordance with section 4.1 of the Lobbying Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. 44 (4th Supp.), the Senate approve the reappointment of Nancy Bélanger as Commissioner of Lobbying for a term of seven years.

The Honourable Senator Tannas moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dagenais, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted, on division.

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The Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

That, in accordance with subsection 54(1) of the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, the Senate approve the reappointment of Caroline Maynard as Information Commissioner for a term of seven years.

The Honourable Senator Tannas moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dagenais, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was negatived.

The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

After debate,

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted, on division.

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The Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

That, when the Senate next adjourns after the adoption of this motion, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday, October 29, 2024, at 2 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Inquiries

Orders No. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Other Business

Senate Public Bills – Third Reading

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Third reading of Bill S-230, An Act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act.

The Honourable Senator Pate moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Boehm, that the bill be read for a third time.

After debate,

A point of order was raised with respect to the requirement for a Royal Recommendation for Bill S-230.

After debate,

The Speaker pro tempore reserved her decision.

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Order No. 3 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Third reading of Bill S-276, An Act respecting Ukrainian Heritage Month.

The Honourable Senator Kutcher moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Boehm, that the bill be read for a third time.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Commons Public Bills – Third Reading

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Third reading of Bill C-294, An Act to amend the Copyright Act (interoperability).

The Honourable Senator Housakos moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin, that the bill be read for a third time.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Osler moved, for the Honourable Senator Deacon (Nova Scotia), seconded by the Honourable Senator Tannas, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Senate Public Bills – Reports of Committees

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Senate Public Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator McCallum, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mégie, for the second reading of Bill S-218, An Act to amend the Department for Women and Gender Equality Act.

Ordered: That further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Martin.

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Orders No. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Housakos, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin, for the second reading of Bill S-247, An Act to amend the Justice for Victims of Corrupt Foreign Officials Act (Sergei Magnitsky Law).

Ordered: That further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Housakos.

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Orders No. 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Bellemare, seconded by the Honourable Senator Klyne, for the second reading of Bill S-275, An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act (mandate, monetary policy governance and accountability).

Ordered: That further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Martin.

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Orders No. 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Commons Public Bills – Second Reading

Orders No. 1, 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Second reading of Bill C-317, An Act to establish a national strategy respecting flood and drought forecasting.

The Honourable Senator Cuzner moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gerba, that the bill be read the second time.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 5 and 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees – Other

Orders No. 31, 33, 40, 62, 63, 72, 73 and 74 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Consideration of the fifteenth report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, entitled Amendments to the Senate Administrative Rules, presented in the Senate on October 22, 2024.

The Honourable Senator Moncion moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Duncan, that the report be adopted.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Motions

Orders No. 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 19, 30, 77, 96 and 107 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Housakos, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman:

That the Senate take note of:

(a)the deteriorating humanitarian crisis occurring in Nagorno-Karabakh as a result of Azerbaijan’s ongoing blockade of the Lachin corridor and increased military aggression against indigenous Armenian civilians in the region; and

(b)the actions of the Aliyev regime as being dictatorial, and in violation of international law; and

That the Senate call on the Government of Canada:

(a)to support the liberty of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh and their right to self-determination;

(b)to immediately impose sanctions against the Azeri regime;

(c)to demand the immediate reopening of the Lachin corridor and the release of Armenian Prisoners of War;

(d)to provide a significant aid package through NGOs to those Armenian people forcefully displaced from their indigenous land; and

(e)to protect the Armenian people of Nagorno-Karabakh through the presence of international peacekeeping forces.

Ordered: That further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Petitclerc.

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Orders No. 172, 181, 201, 202, 216 and 219 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Inquiries

Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Boyer, calling the attention of the Senate to the positive contributions and impacts that Métis, Inuit, and First Nations have made to Canada, and the world.

Ordered: That further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting, in the name of the Honourable Senator Clement.

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Orders No. 4, 5, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20 and 21 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

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Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Cardozo, calling the attention of the Senate to the future of the CBC/Radio-Canada.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Dalphond moved, for the Honourable Senator White, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gerba, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Orders No. 26 and 28 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

INQUIRIES

The Honourable Senator Cormier called the attention of the Senate to the alarming rise in sexually transmitted and blood-borne infections in Canada, including HIV/AIDS.

After debate,

The Honourable Senator Duncan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Pate, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petten:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

(Accordingly, at 6:37 p.m., the Senate was continued until Tuesday, October 29, 2024, at 2 p.m.)

DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)

Minister’s response to the National Housing Council Review Panel Report on the Financialization of Purpose-Built Rental Housing, pursuant to the National Housing Strategy Act, S.C. 2019, c. 29, s. 313 “17.2(2)”.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3743.

Service Fees Report of the Canada Revenue Agency for 2023 to 2024, pursuant to the Service Fees Act, S.C. 2017, c. 20, s. 451 “20(1)”.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3744.

Service Fees Report of the Privy Council Office for 2023 to 2024, pursuant to the Service Fees Act, S.C. 2017, c. 20, s. 451 “20(1)”.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3745.

Service Fees Reports of the Office of the Governor General’s Secretary for 2023 to 2024, pursuant to the Service Fees Act, S.C. 2017, c. 20, s. 451 “20(1)”.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-3746.

Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5

Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry

The Honourable Senator Klyne replaced the Honourable Senator Bernard (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Marshall replaced the Honourable Senator MacDonald (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Burey replaced the Honourable Senator Robinson (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Sorensen replaced the Honourable Senator Pate (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator McNair replaced the Honourable Senator Varone (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Bernard replaced the Honourable Senator Klyne (October 23, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Varone replaced the Honourable Senator McNair (October 23, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Commerce and the Economy

The Honourable Senator Yussuff replaced the Honourable Senator Kutcher (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Boudreau was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Kutcher replaced the Honourable Senator Yussuff (October 23, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Yussuff replaced the Honourable Senator Kutcher (October 23, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources

The Honourable Senator Robinson replaced the Honourable Senator Prosper (October 24, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

The Honourable Senator Kutcher replaced the Honourable Senator Deacon (Ontario) (October 24, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

The Honourable Senator Greene replaced the Honourable Senator Verner, P.C. (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Woo replaced the Honourable Senator Busson (October 23, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Indigenous Peoples

The Honourable Senator Greenwood replaced the Honourable Senator Boniface (October 23, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on National Finance

The Honourable Senator Galvez replaced the Honourable Senator Boudreau (October 23, 2024).

Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament

The Honourable Senator Osler replaced the Honourable Senator Greene (October 24, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

The Honourable Senator Boudreau replaced the Honourable Senator Moodie (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Burey replaced the Honourable Senator Dagenais (October 24, 2024).

The Honourable Senator Petitclerc replaced the Honourable Senator Forest (October 23, 2024).

Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications

The Honourable Senator Quinn replaced the Honourable Senator Robinson (October 24, 2024).

Journals of the Senate

3 Charles III , A.D. 2024, Canada

1st Session, 44th Parliament

Issue 231 (Unrevised)

Thursday, October 24, 20242 p.m.

The Honourable RAYMONDE GAGNÉ, Speaker

PRAYERS

Senators’ Statements

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees

Notices of Motions

Question Period

Delayed Answers

Orders of the Day

Government Business

Bills – Third Reading

Reports of Committees – Other

Motions

Inquiries

Other Business

Senate Public Bills – Third Reading

Commons Public Bills – Third Reading

Senate Public Bills – Reports of Committees

Senate Public Bills – Second Reading

Commons Public Bills – Second Reading

Reports of Committees – Other

Motions

Inquiries

INQUIRIES

ADJOURNMENT

DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)

Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5

Thursday, October 24, 2024
2 p.m.