Journals of the Senate
51 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2002, Canada
Journals of the Senate
2nd Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 16
Wednesday, November 6, 2002
1:30 p.m.
The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Baker, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Maheu, Meighen, Milne, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Phalen, Poulin (Charette), Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Baker, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Maheu, Meighen, Milne, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Phalen, Poulin (Charette), Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Notices of Motions
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Kolber moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce have power to sit at 3:30 p.m. today, even though the Senate may then be sitting, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Jaffer, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu, for the second reading of Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Adams moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Watt, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Presentation of Reports From Standing or Special Committees.
The Honourable Senator Milne presented the following:
WEDNESDAY, November 6, 2002
The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament has the honour to present its
SECOND REPORT
Your Committee, to which was referred by the Senate on Thursday, October 31, 2002, the motion that for the duration of the present session any select committee may meet during adjournments of the Senate, reports as follows:
Your Committee recommends that, for the purpose of Rule 95 (3), committees of the Senate be permitted to meet at any time on any weekday the Senate stands adjourned during a Senate sitting week.
Respectfully submitted,
LORNA MILNE
Chair
The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Motions
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Morin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley:
That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada:
To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the Senate of Canada in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Joyal, P.C., that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Orders No. 1 to 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Other
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Kolber, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce be authorized to study the public interest implications for large bank mergers on:
- Access for Canadians throughout the country to convenient and quality financial services;
- The availability of financing for individuals and businesses, particularly small and mid-sized businesses;
- The Canadian economy and the ability of Canadian business to compete internationally;
- Communities and bank employees; and
- Any other related issues;
That the Committee be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings; and
That the Committee submit its final report no later than March 31, 2003.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 4 (inquiry), 4 (motion), 3 (inquiry), 3, 5 (motions), 2 (inquiry) and 7 (motion) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
INQUIRIES
The Honourable Senator Oliver called the attention of the Senate to the findings contained in the report of the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry entitled Canadian Farmers at Risk, tabled in the Senate on June 13, 2002, during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Gustafson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Forrestall, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Comeau moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Beaudoin:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries be authorised to examine and report upon the matters relating to oceans and fisheries;
That the documents and evidence received by the Committee during its consideration of these same matters in the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament be referred to the Committee;
That the Committee table its final report no later than June 30, 2003; and
That, notwithstanding usual practice, the Committee be permitted to deposit its final report with the Clerk of the Senate if the Senate is not then sitting, and that the report be deemed to have been tabled in the Chamber.
After debate,
With leave of the Senate and pursuant to Rule 30 the motion was modified to read as follows:
That the Senate Standing Committee on Fisheries be authorised to examine and report from time to time upon the matters relating to straddling stocks and to fish habitat;
That the documents and evidence received by the Committee during its consideration of these same matters in the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament be referred to the Committee; and
That the Committee table its final report no later than December 31, 2003.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, as modified, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Kenny moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool:
That the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be permitted, notwithstanding usual practices, to deposit its second report with the Clerk of the Senate on Tuesday, November 12, 2002, and that the report be deemed to have been tabled in the Chamber; and
That copies of the report be made available to all Senators in their offices and by e-mail at the time of tabling.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on division.
The Honourable Senator Cordy moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Smith:
That the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be empowered, in accordance with Rule 95(3), to sit on Monday, November 18, 2002, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding one week.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Maheu moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ferretti Barth:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights be empowered, in accordance with Rule 95(3), to sit on Monday, November 18, 2002, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding one week.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Oliver moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry be authorized to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Oliver moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Forrestall:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Furey moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Furey moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kenny:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Losier-Cool moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages be authorised to have the public proceedings of the Committee, at its discretion, televised with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Losier-Cool moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Banks:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages be authorised to hire such counsel, technical, clerical and other personnel as may be necessary for the Committee's study of bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates referred to this Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Stollery moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs be authorized to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Stollery moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Baker:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Léger:
That the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Day:
That the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Day:
That the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament be empowered, in accordance with Rule 95(3), to sit on Monday, November 18, 2002, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding one week.
After debate,
With leave of the Senate and pursuant to Rule 30, the motion was modified to read as follows:
That the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament be empowered, in accordance with Rule 95(3), to sit on Monday, November 18, 2002, and Tuesday, November 19, 2002, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding one week.
After debate,
In amendment, the Honourable Senator Stratton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that the motion, as modified, be amended by deleting the words ``Monday, November 18, 2002, and''.
The question being put on the motion in amendment, it was adopted.
The question was then put on the modified motion, as amended, of the Honourable Senator Milne, seconded by the Honourable Senator Day:
That the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament be empowered, in accordance with Rule 95(3), to sit on Tuesday, November 19, 2002, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding one week.
The motion was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Day moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Baker:
That the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be authorized to adjourn from place to place within and outside Canada for the purpose of pursuing its study.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on division.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Report of the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada for the period July 5, 2000 to March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act, S.C. 2000, c. 17, sbs. 71(1).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-187.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 5:09 p.m. the Senate was continued until 1:30 p.m. tomorrow.)
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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs
The name of the Honourable Senator Day substituted for that of the Honourable Senator De Bané (November 5).
Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications
The name of the Honourable Senator Day added to the membership (November 5).
Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce
The name of the Honourable Senator Banks substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Kroft (November 6).
Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
The names of the Honourable Senators Hubley and Day substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Bacon and Sparrow (November 6).