Journals of the Senate
1 Charles III , A.D. 2022, Canada
1st Session, 44th Parliament
Issue 63 (Unrevised)
Tuesday, September 27, 2022
2 p.m.
The Honourable GEORGE J. FUREY, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
AndersonArnotAtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBlackBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBoveyBrazeauBussonCarignanClementCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisFureyGagnéGerbaGignacGoldGreeneHarderHartlingHousakosKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaMacDonaldManningMartinMarwahMassicotteMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOhPatePattersonPlettQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWallinWellsWhiteWooYussuff
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
AndersonArnotAtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBlackBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBoveyBrazeauBussonCarignanClementCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisFureyGagnéGerbaGignacGoldGreeneHarderHartlingHousakosKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaMacDonaldManning*MarshallMartinMarwahMassicotteMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOhPatePattersonPlettQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWallinWellsWhiteWooYussuff
The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.
An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.
PRAYERS
Senators’ Statements
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees
The Honourable Senator Ataullahjan, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights, informed the Senate that, pursuant to the orders adopted by the Senate on March 3, 2022, and June 2, 2022, the committee deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on July 14, 2022, its fourth report (interim) entitled The Scars that We Carry: Forced and Coerced Sterilization of Persons in Canada - Part II.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-942S.
The Honourable Senator Ataullahjan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Question Period
The Senate proceeded to Question Period.
Delayed Answers
Pursuant to rule 4-10(2), the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., tabled the following:
Reply to Question No. 31, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding COVID-19 research — National Defence.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1047S.
Reply to Question No. 31, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding COVID-19 research — Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1048S.
Reply to Question No. 31, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding COVID-19 research — Public Safety Canada.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1049S.
Reply to Question No. 64, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding litigation.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1050S.
Reply to Question No. 101, dated November 23, 2021, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding court cases involving veterans.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1051S.
Reply to Question No. 143, dated March 30, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Housakos, regarding Canadian offices and embassies abroad.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1052S.
Reply to Question No. 149, dated April 26, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding counterfeit products.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1053S.
Reply to Question No. 163, dated May 19, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Francis, regarding record suspensions for cannabis possession offences.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1054S.
Reply to Question No. 167, dated June 2, 2022, appearing on the Order Paper and Notice Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Plett, regarding medical assistance in dying.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1055S.
The Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., tabled the following:
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on December 9, 2021, by the Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C., concerning court fees.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1056S.
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on March 22, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Bernard, concerning the Anti-Racism Secretariat.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1057S.
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on March 31, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C., concerning transparency of trials.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1058S.
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on March 31, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C., concerning transparency of trials.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1059S.
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on April 26, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Housakos, concerning ArriveCAN.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1060S.
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on June 1, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Boisvenu, concerning the public inquiry into the Portapique shooting.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1061S.
Response to the oral question asked in the Senate on June 7, 2022, by the Honourable Senator Plett, concerning missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1062S.
Orders of the Day
Government Business
Bills – Second Reading
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Dawson, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bovey, for the second reading of Bill C-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Reports of Committees – Other
The Honourable Senator Gagné moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:
That Order No. 6, under the heading Reports of Committees – Other be discharged from the Orders of the Day.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Motions
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Inquiries
Order No. 1 was withdrawn pursuant to rule 5-10(2).
Orders No. 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Other Business
Senate Public Bills – Third Reading
Orders No. 1, 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Senate Public Bills – Reports of Committees
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Omidvar, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dean, for the adoption of the ninth report of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology (Bill S-208, An Act respecting the Declaration on the Essential Role of Artists and Creative Expression in Canada, with amendments and observations), presented in the Senate on June 20, 2022.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Bovey moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dawson, that the bill, as amended, be placed on the Orders of the Day for third reading at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Consideration of the fifth report of the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry (Bill S-236, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Employment Insurance Regulations (Prince Edward Island), with an amendment and observations), presented in the Senate on June 23, 2022.
The Honourable Senator Black moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Wallin, that the report be adopted.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Duncan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Clement, that the bill, as amended, be placed on the Orders of the Day for third reading at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Senate Public Bills – Second Reading
Orders No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Pate, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dean, for the second reading of Bill S-233, An Act to develop a national framework for a guaranteed livable basic income.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 and 29 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Commons Public Bills – Second Reading
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees – Other
Order No. 18 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Francis, seconded by the Honourable Senator Klyne:
That the sixth report of the Standing Senate Committee on Indigenous Peoples, tabled in the Senate on Wednesday, June 22, 2022, be adopted and that, pursuant to rule 12-24(1), the Senate request a complete and detailed response from the government, with the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations being identified as minister responsible for responding to the report.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 20 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Consideration of the fourth report of the Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, entitled Peace on the Water (Advancing the Full Implementation of Mi'kmaq, Wolastoqiyik and Peskotomuhkati Rights-Based Fisheries), deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on July 12, 2022.
The Honourable Senator Manning moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Batters:
That the fourth report of the Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, entitled Peace on the Water (Advancing the Full Implementation of Mi’kmaq, Wolastoqiyik and Peskotomuhkati Rights-Based Fisheries), deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, be adopted and that, pursuant to rule 12-24(1), the Senate request a complete and detailed response from the government, with the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Coast Guard being identified as the minister responsible for responding to the report.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Francis, seconded by the Honourable Senator Klyne:
That the seventh report of the Standing Senate Committee on Indigenous Peoples, tabled with the Clerk of the Senate on Monday, June 27, 2022, be adopted and that, pursuant to rule 12-24(1), the Senate request a complete and detailed response from the government, with the Minister of Indigenous Services Canada being identified as minister responsible for responding to the report, in consultation with the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Motions
Orders No. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 19 and 30 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Dean, seconded by the Honourable Senator Saint-Germain:
That, pursuant to rule 12-18(2), for the remainder of this session, the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be authorized to meet at their approved meeting time as determined by the third report of the Committee of Selection, adopted by the Senate on December 7, 2021, on any Monday which immediately precedes a Tuesday when the Senate is scheduled to sit, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding a week.
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Housakos, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Cormier, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kutcher:
That, pursuant to rule 12-18(2), for the remainder of this session, the Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages be authorized to meet at their approved meeting time on any Monday which immediately precedes a Tuesday when the Senate is scheduled to sit, even though the Senate may then be adjourned for a period exceeding a week.
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Housakos, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Inquiries
Orders No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Downe, calling the attention of the Senate to :
(a)The importance of the federal government as Canada’s largest single employer, with over 230,000 civilian employees;
(b)The fact that, although everyone understands that a significant portion of federal employees would be based in the nation’s capital, in recent years a trend has developed whereby the distribution of jobs between Ottawa and the regions has become more and more disproportionate in favour of the National Capital Region; and
(c)The role of the Senate in examining and discussing the opportunities for decentralizing federal government jobs and services, and urging the Government of Canada to restore the historical distribution of employment to one third of jobs in the National Capital Region and two thirds in the rest of the country, thereby contributing to the economic growth and stability of the regions of Canada.
The Honourable Senator Duncan moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ravalia, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Black moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Tannas:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry be permitted, notwithstanding usual practices, to deposit with the Clerk of the Senate, no later than November 10, 2022, an interim report relating to its study on issues relating to agriculture and forestry generally, if the Senate is not then sitting, and that the report be deemed to have been tabled in the Senate.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Moncion moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Dupuis:
That the papers and evidence received and taken and the work accomplished by the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration relating to the study of the Long Term Vision and Plan from previous parliamentary sessions, be referred to the Committee so that it may then authorize the disclosure of certain presentations prepared for the committee to Public Services and Procurement Canada and the Office of the Auditor General of Canada.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Gagné moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 3:34 p.m., the Senate was continued until tomorrow at 2 p.m.)
DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)
Interim Order No. 73 Respecting Certain Requirements for Civil Aviation Due to COVID-19, pursuant to the Aeronautics Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-2, sbs. 6.41(5) and (6).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1041.
Reports of Historic Sites and Monuments Board of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1042.
Report on the applications for ministerial review (miscarriages of justice) for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Criminal Code, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46, s. 696.5.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1043.
Report of the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Director of Public Prosecutions Act, S.C. 2006, c. 9, sbs. 16(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1044.
Reports of the Parks Canada Agency for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1045.
Reports of the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada for the reporting year 2021-22, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1046.
Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5
Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Commerce and the Economy
The Honourable Senator Moncion replaced the Honourable Senator Deacon (Nova Scotia) (September 26, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Woo replaced the Honourable Senator Moncion (September 23, 2022).
Special Joint Committee on the Declaration of Emergency
The Honourable Senator Harder, P.C., replaced the Honourable Senator Cordy (September 26, 2022).
Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources
The Honourable Senator Lankin, P.C., replaced the Honourable Senator McCallum (September 27, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Audette was added to the membership (September 26, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Gignac was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (September 26, 2022).
Standing Senate Committee on Indigenous Peoples
The Honourable Senator Lovelace Nicholas replaced the Honourable Senator Audette (September 27, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Audette replaced the Honourable Senator Lovelace Nicholas (September 26, 2022).
Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs
The Honourable Senator Tannas replaced the Honourable Senator Richards (September 27, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Richards replaced the Honourable Senator Campbell (September 26, 2022).
Standing Senate Committee on National Finance
The Honourable Senator Moncion replaced the Honourable Senator Galvez (September 26, 2022).
Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages
The Honourable Senator Dalphond replaced the Honourable Senator Bellemare (September 27, 2022).
Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
The Honourable Senator Dean replaced the Honourable Senator Lankin, P.C. (September 27, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Petitclerc replaced the Honourable Senator Deacon (Nova Scotia) (September 26, 2022).
The Honourable Senator Saint-Germain replaced the Honourable Senator Duncan (September 26, 2022).