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Substantive Equality of Canada’s Official Languages Bill

Bill to Amend--First Report of Official Languages Committee on Subject Matter--Debate

November 6, 2024


Hon. Donald Neil Plett (Leader of the Opposition)

Honourable senators, I wish to say a few words about Bill C-13.

Before I do, Your Honour, I wish to make a couple of observations about some things that have or have not been happening.

As we know, Senator Downe has, on numerous occasions, been asking the government leader when he would supply some names to the different caucus leaders about the names of supposed parliamentarians who wittingly or unwittingly took part in some of the foreign interference —

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore [ - ]

Point of order, Senator Downe?

Hon. Percy E. Downe [ - ]

A point of clarification: I never suggested names; I asked for the unredacted report to be available to the leaders of the four groups in the Senate.

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore [ - ]

That was a point of correction.

I would suggest that it was a point of clarification, and I accept that, Senator Downe. I apologize to you. I was not planning this. As a matter of fact, I wanted to support you. I might do it a little bit less enthusiastically now than I did it a minute ago. Nevertheless, I will still support you, Senator Downe.

I would still suggest that those documents should be shared with us, and I am wondering when that might happen. The other thing I wish to raise is that we know, of course, that Senator Lankin retired from this chamber three weeks ago. Senator Lankin was a member of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, or NSICOP. The Prime Minister has been bragging that he has members of all of the different caucuses as a part of NSICOP. This is his third or fourth opportunity now to appoint a Conservative. That is the one caucus that he does not want to have in there from the Senate.

I am not sure where we go. I would like to suggest that this government clearly cannot organize a two-car parade over in the other place. They have similar problems over here. I wish to give Senator Gold an opportunity to go to his office and make a phone call to the Prime Minister and ask him two questions: When can we have these documents? When will he appoint a member of the Conservative caucus in the Senate to the NSICOP committee?

With one phone call from Senator Gold, we might be able to clarify the matter.

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore [ - ]

Senator Plett, we are on the issue of a report from the Official Languages Committee.

Maybe we are not on the right item? Could you correct us if we are wrong?

Let me suggest, Your Honour, that I will ask for this to be done in both official languages.

I know exactly where we are, Your Honour, and clearly, I would appreciate it if Senator Gold obtained the documents for us in both official languages.

Let me just continue, Your Honour, if I could. I would like to give Senator Gold the opportunity to go to his office and make his phone call in either English or French to the Prime Minister in order to ask him to send us the documents in both official languages and ask him to appoint a bilingual Conservative senator to the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, or NSICOP, so that we have both official languages represented there. I think that would adhere to Bill C-13; I think it would all be in line with that.

I think Senator Gold could come back tomorrow and give us a report on when all of this would happen.

Therefore, honourable senators, I move:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore [ - ]

It is moved by the Honourable Senator Plett, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin, that the Senate do now adjourn.

Is it your pleasure, honourable senators, to adopt the motion?

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore [ - ]

All those in favour of the motion will please say “yea.”

Some Hon. Senators: Yea.

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore: All those opposed to the motion will please say “nay.”

Some Hon. Senators: Nay.

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore: In my opinion the “nays” have it.

The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore [ - ]

I see two senators rising. Do we have agreement on a bell? The vote will be at 4:01 p.m.

Call in the senators.

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