SECD - Standing Committee

National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs

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Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence

Issue 5 - Minutes of Proceedings

OTTAWA, Monday, December 2, 2002
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 9:30 a.m. in room 172-E, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Smith, P.C., and Wiebe (8).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Purves, Research Officer and John Christopher, Research Officer; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Mr. Paul Dingledine, National Security Adviser; Chief Superintendent Jean-Pierre Witty, RCMP Liaison Officer; Lieutenant- Colonel David Belovich, DND Liaison Officer; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

The committee considered its future agenda in camera.

At 10:30 a.m. the committee suspended its sitting.

At 10:35 a.m. the committee continued its meeting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, the Committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, November 4, 2002, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

From the Department of Transport Canada:

Mr. William Elliott, Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security Group;

Ms. Janet Luloff, Acting Director, Regulatory Affairs, Safety and Security Group;

Mr. Jean Barrette, Director, Security Operations, Safety and Security Group.

Mr. Elliott, Ms. Luloff and Mr. Barrette responded to questions.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the Committee on Monday, October 28, 2002, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.

  • [``Response to Questions Raised at the meeting of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence (November 27, 2002)'' by the Department of Transport Canada] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 5 ``13'')

At 12:40 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

OTTAWA, Monday, December 2, 2002
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 12:45 p.m. in room 172-E, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen, Smith, P.C., and Wiebe (9).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Purves, Research Officer and John Christopher, Research Officer; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Mr. Paul Dingledine, National Security Adviser; Chief Superintendent Jean-Pierre Witty, RCMP Liaison Officer; Lieutenant- Colonel David Belovich, DND Liaison Officer; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

The committee considered its future agenda in camera.

At 1:25 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 1:30 p.m., the committee continued its meeting in public inr room 160-S, Centre Block.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, the Committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, November 4, 2002, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

APPEARING:

The Honourable David Michael Collenette, P.C., M.P., Minister of Transport.

WITNESSES:

From the Senate:

Mr. Mark Audcent, Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel.

As an individual:

Mr. John Patrick Nelligan, Senior Partner, Law Firm of Nelligan O'Brien Payne LLP, Ottawa.

From the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP):

Mr. Garry Loeppky, Deputy Commissioner, Operations;

Mr. R.J. (Ray) Bonnell, Superintendent, Officer in Charge, Protective Services Branch.

From the Department of Transport Canada:

Mr. William Elliott, Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security Group;

Mr. Jacques Pigeon, Senior General Counsel and Head, Department of Justice, Legal Services.

Mr. Audcent made a statement. Mr. Nelligan made a statement. Mr. Audcent and Mr. Nelligan responded to questions.

At 2:04 p.m. the committee suspended its sitting.

At 2:06 p.m. the committee resumed its sitting.

Mr. Loeppky made a statement and with Mr. Bonnell responded to questions.

At 3:35 p.m. the committee suspended its sitting.

At 3:40 p.m. the committee continued its meeting.

The Honourable Minister Collenette made a statement and, along with Mr. Elliott and Mr. Pigeon, responded to questions.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 28, 2002, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.

  • [``Opening Address'' by Garry Loeppky, Deputy Commissioner, Operations, RCMP] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 5 ``14'')
  • [``Opening Remarks'' by The Honourable David Collenette, Minister of Transport] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 5 ``15'')
  • [``Rights and obligations of witnesses appearing before the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence'', by Mark Audcent, Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 5 ``16'')

At 5:15 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 5:20 p.m., the committee continued its meeting in camera in room 160-S (Subcommittee Room), Centre Block.

The committee considered its future agenda in camera.

At 6 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

OTTAWA, Monday, December 9, 2002
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, in camera, at 1:15 p.m. in room 166-E, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Senator Kenny presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Smith, P.C. (7).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Purves, Research Officer and John Christopher, Research Officer; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Mr. Paul Dingledine, National Security Adviser; Chief Superintendent Jean-Pierre Witty, RCMP Liaison Officer; Lieutenant- Colonel David Belovich, DND Liaison Officer; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer; Dan Turner, Writer; Robin Hay, Office of Senator Meighen.

The committee proceeded to consider a draft agenda.

At 5:15 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

OTTAWA, Tuesday, December 10, 2002
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, in camera, at 2:55 p.m. in room 256-S, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Senator Kenny presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Smith, P.C. (7).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Purves, Research Officer and John Christopher, Research Officer; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Mr. Paul Dingledine, National Security Adviser; Robin Hay, Office of Senator Meighen.

The committee proceeded to consider a draft report.

At 3:50 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Barbara Reynolds

Clerk of the Committee