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Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence

Issue 22 - Minutes of Proceedings

HALIFAX, Monday, September 22, 2003
(39)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 9:15 a.m. in Acadia A/B Room, Casino Nova Scotia Hotel, Halifax, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen, Smith, P.C. and Wiebe (8).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Commander Gerry Powell, DND Liaison Officer; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Chief Warrant (Ret'd) Maurice Dessureault; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, November 4, 2002, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

From the Department of National Defence:

Rear-Admiral Glenn V. Davidson, Commander, Maritime Forces Atlantic;

Commander Paul F. Earnshaw, Commanding Officer TRINITY, Joint Ocean Surveillance Information Centre;

Captain (N) Kelly Williams, Former Commanding Officer, HMCS Winnipeg.

From the Canadian Coast Guard:

Mr. Larry Wilson, Regional Director, Maritimes.

The committee paid tribute to the memory of the late Grant Purves, Analyst with the Library of Parliament, who was assigned as a researcher to the committee.

Rear-Admiral Davidson, Commander Earnshaw and Captain (N) Williams made opening statements and responded to questions.

At 11:05 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 11:10 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

Mr.Wilson made a statement and responded to questions.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 28, 2002, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.

  • [Presentation by Commander Paul F. Earnshaw, Department of National Defence, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "97'')

  • [Presentation by Captain (N) Williams, Department of National Defence, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900- 2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "98'')

  • [Presentation by Larry Wilson, Regional Director, Maritimes, Canadian Coast Guard, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "99'')

  • [National Post Article, September 21, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "100'')

  • [Charts from Canadian Coast Guard, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "101'')

  • [Response from Canadian Coast Guard, Larry Wilson, Regional Director, Maritimes Region, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "102'')

At 12:20 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

HALIFAX, Monday, September 22, 2003
(40)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 2:10 p.m. in Acadia A/B Room, Casino Nova Scotia Hotel, Halifax, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen, Smith, P.C. and Wiebe (8).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Commander Gerry Powell, DND Liaison Officer; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Chief Warrant (Ret'd) Maurice Dessureault; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, November 4, 2002, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

From The Royal Canadian Mounted Police:

Chief Superintendent Ian Atkins, Officer in Charge, Criminal Operations Branch;

Superintendent C.D. (Craig) MacLaughlan, Officer in Charge, Support Services "H'' Division;

Sergeant F.D. (Fred) Hildebrand, "H'' Division, Criminal Operations Branch.

From Canada Customs and Revenue Agency:

Mr. Robert A. Russell, Assistant Commissioner, Atlantic Region;

Mr. Mark Connolly, Director General, Contraband and Intelligence Services Directorate, Customs Branch.

From the Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada:

Ms. Diane Giffin-Boudreau, Acting Director General, Atlantic Region;

Mr. Ron Heisler, Director of Operations, Canada Immigration Centre, Halifax.

From the Union of Canadian Transportation Employees:

Mr. Michael Wing, National President;

Mr. John Fox, Regional Representative, Nova Scotia.

From the Canadian Merchant Service Guild:

Mr. Lawrence Dempsey, National Secretary Treasurer.

Chief Superintendent Atkins made a statement and, with Superintendent MacLaughlan and Sergeant Hildebrand, responded to questions.

At 3:20 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 3:30 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

Mr. Russell made a statement and, with Mr. Connolly, responded to questions.

Ms. Giffin-Boudreau made a statement and, with Mr. Heisler responded to questions.

At 5:05 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 5:10 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

Mr. Dempsey made a statement and responded to questions.

Mr. Wing made a statement and responded to questions.

Mr. Fox made a statement and responded to questions.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 28, 2002, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.

  • [HMCS ATHABASKAN, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "103'')

  • [Presentation by Chief Superintendent Ian E. Atkins, Officer in Charge, Criminal Operations Branch, "H'' Division, Nova Scotia, RCMP, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "104'')

  • [Presentation by Robert Russell, Regional Assistant Commissioner, Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, Atlantic Region, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "105'')

  • [Opening Remarks by Diane Giffin-Boudreau, Acting Director General, Atlantic Region, Citizenship and Immigration, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/ N2-SS-1, 22, "106'')

  • [Opening Presentation, The Canadian Merchant Service Guild, September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/ N2-SS-1, 22, "107'')

  • [Presentation by Michael Wing, National President of the Union of Canadian Transportation Employees (UCTE), September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "108'')

  • [Material from the Union of Canadian Transportation Employees (UCTE), September 22, 2003] (Exhibit 5900- 2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "109'')

  • [Response from Ian E. Atkins, Officer in Charge, Criminal Operations Branch, "H'' Division, Nova Scotia, RCMP, letter dated September 23, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/ N2-SS-1, 22, "110'')

At 6:30 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

HALIFAX, Tuesday, September 23, 2003
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 9:15 a.m. in Acadia A/B Room, Casino Nova Scotia Hotel, Halifax, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen, Smith, P.C. and Wiebe (8).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Commander Gerry Powell, DND Liaison Officer; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Chief Warrant (Ret'd) Maurice Dessureault; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, November 4, 2002, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

From the Halifax Regional Municipality:

Mr. George McLellan, Chief Administrative Officer;

Mr. Barry Manuel, Emergency Measures Organization Coordinator, HRM;

Mr. Frank Beazley, Police Chief, Halifax Regional Police;

Mr. Peter LePine, Inspector, Halifax Detachment, RCMP;

Mr. Bruce Burrell, Deputy Chief Director, Halifax Regional Fire Service;

Mr. Terry Bourgeois, District Chief, Rural District 3, Communications, Fire and Emergency Service, Halifax Regional Municipality;

Mr. Michael McKeage, Director of Operations, Emergency Medical Care;

Mr. Erin Graham, Manager Safety, Capital District Health.

Mr. McLellan made a statement and with other witnesses responded to questions.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 28, 2002, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.

  • [Halifax Regional Municipality Briefing, September 23,2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "111'')

  • [Material from Michael McKeage, Emergency Medical Care Inc., September 23, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/ N2- SS-1, 22, "112'')

At 11:25 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

HALIFAX, Tuesday, September 23, 2003
(42)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day, at 1:00 p.m. in Acadia A/B Room, Casino Nova Scotia Hotel, Halifax, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen, Smith, P.C. and Wiebe (8).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Adviser; Commander Gerry Powell, DND Liaison Officer; Superintendent Gerry Doucet, RCMP Liaison Officer; Chief Warrant (Ret'd) Maurice Dessureault; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, the committee proceeded upon its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, November 4, 2002, for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

From the Nova Scotia Public Safety Anti-Terrorism Senior Officials Committee:

Ms. Ingrid Brodie, Acting Director, Public Safety Initiatives; Policing and Victim Services Division, Nova Scotia Department of Justice;

Dr. Jeff Scott, Provincial Medical Officer of Health;

Chief Superintendent Ian Atkins, Officer in Charge, Criminal Operations Branch, Province of Nova Scotia, Royal Canadian Mounted Police;

Mr. Michael Lester, Executive Director, Emergency Measures Organization.

Ms. Brodie made a statement and, with Dr. Scott, Mr. Lester and Chief Superintendent Atkins, responded to questions.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 28, 2002, the following material was filed as exhibits with the Clerk.

  • [Province of Nova Scotia Presentation, September 23, 2003] (Exhibit 5900-2.37/N2-SS-1, 22, "113'')

At 2:50 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Barbara Reynolds

Clerk of the Committee