Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence

Issue 4 - Minutes of Proceedings

KINGSTON, Monday, November 29, 2004
(7)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera, at 8:10 a.m., in the Gibraltar Room, Four Points Hotel Kingston, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny and Munson (6).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor; Veronica Morris, Communications Officer; Captain (N) Kenneth Stewart, DND Liaison Officer; and Sergeant Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 8:56 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 9:03 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No.1, Monday, October 25, 2004 of the Committee's Proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

Queen's University:

Douglas Bland, Chair, Defence Management Studies;

W. Donald Macnamara, Senior Fellow;

Kim Richard Nossal, Professor and Head, Political Studies Department;

Charles Pentland, Political Studies, Centre for International Relations.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Donald Macnamara and Douglas Bland each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 10:43 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 10:52 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting

Kim Richard Nossal made a presentation.

At 11:04 a.m., Senator Forrestall assumed the chair.

Charles Pentland made a presentation.

At 11:12 a.m., Senator Kenny returned to the chair.

Kim Richard Nossal and Charles Pentland answered questions.

At 12:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

KINGSTON, Monday, November 29, 2004
(8)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera, at 12:30 p.m., in the Gibraltar Room, Four Points Hotel Kingston, the Vice-Chair, the Honourable J. Michael Forrestall, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny and Munson (6).

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 12:50 p.m., Senator Kenny assumed the chair.

At 1:15 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 1:20 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the Committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No.1, Monday, October 25, 2004 of the Committee's Proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

Royal Military College of Canada:

Lieutenant-Colonel David Last, Registrar;

Jane Boulden, Canada Research Chair in International Relations and Security Studies.

Canadian Forces:

Major-General Andrew Leslie.

Jane Boulden and David Last each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 2:45 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 2:53 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

MGen. Andrew Leslie made a presentation and answered questions.

At 4:35 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 4:38 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera to consider its draft agenda in accordance with 92(2)(e).

At 4:54 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

KINGSTON, Monday, November 29, 2004
(9)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day at 5:30 p.m., in the Gibraltar Room, Four Points Hotel Kingston, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Munson (7).

WITNESSES:

Queen's University:

David Haglund, Professor of Political Studies.

As individuals:

Paul Gervan;

Lieutenant-Colonel (Ret'd) Arthur T.R.H. Neadow;

Frederick W. Fairman;

William G. Graudin;

Nancy Fairman;

Wyn Van der Schee;

Blair MacLean;

Nicole Dunn;

Michael Carter;

Mayor Harvey Rosen, City of Kingston;

Gary Coulter;

Kevin Connolly;

Lieutenant-Colonel (Ret'd) John Selkirk;

Randy Cleary;

John Henry Russell;

Anthony Shields;

Brigadier-General (Ret'd) Christopher Kirby;

Torben Schau;

Colonel Harry Aitken;

Richard Moller;

Alice Aiken;

Lisa Salley;

Major-General (Ret'd) Frank J. Norman;

Kimberly St-Louis.

David Haglund made a statement and acted as moderator for the meeting.

Paul Gervan; Lieutenant-Colonel (Ret'd) Arthur T.R.H. Neadow; Frederick W. Fairman; William G. Graudin; Nancy Fairman; Wyn Van der Schee; Blair MacLean; Nicole Dunn; Michael Carter; Mayor Harvey Rosen, City of Kingston; Gary Coulter; Kevin Connolly; Lieutenant-Colonel (Ret'd) John Selkirk; Randy Cleary; John Henry Russell; Anthony Shields; Brigadier-General (Ret'd) Christopher Kirby; Torben Schau; Colonel Harry Aitken; Richard Moller; Alice Aiken; Lisa Salley; Major-General (Ret'd) Frank J. Norman; and Kimberly St-Louis each made a statement and answered questions.

At 7:35 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Daniel Charbonneau

Clerk of the Committee

Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence

Issue 4 - Minutes of Proceedings

Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence