Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence

Issue 9 - Minutes of Proceedings

SAINT JOHN, Monday, January 31, 2005
(16)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day at 10:30 a.m. in Royal Ballroom C, Delta Brunswick, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Nolin (7).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Captain (N) Kenneth Stewart, DND Liaison Officer; Sergeant Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor; and Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

University of New Brunswick:

Marc Milner, Director, Military and Strategic Studies Program.

As an individual:

C.W.O. (ret.) Nicolaas deVries.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Marc Milner made a presentation and answered questions.

Nicolaas DeVries made a presentation and answered questions.

At 12:20 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 12:30 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in the Manchester Room, Delta Brunswick.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 1:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

SAINT JOHN, Monday, January 31, 2005
(17)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day at 1:20 p.m., in Royal Ballroom C, Delta Brunswick, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Nolin (8).

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

WITNESSES:

National Defence, CFB Gagetown:

Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Bowes, Armour School;

Lieutenant-Colonel Brian Douglas, Artillery School;

Lieutenant-Colonel René Melançon, Infantry School;

Lieutenant-Colonel Pat McAdam, Tactics School;

Lieutenant-Colonel Ranjeet K. Gupta, Canadian Forces School of Military Engineering.

National Defence:

Brigadier-General R.R. Romses, Commander, Land Forces Atlantic Area;

Colonel Ryan Jestin, Commander, C.F.B. Gagetown, 3 Area Support Group;

Colonel Christopher J.R. Davis, Commander, Combat Training Centre, CFB Gagetown.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Bowes, Lieutenant-Colonel Brian Douglas, Lieutenant-Colonel René Melançon, Lieutenant-Colonel Pat McAdam and Lieutenant-Colonel Ranjeet Gupta each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 3:00 p.m., Senator Banks assumed the chair.

At 3:02 p.m., Senator Forrestall assumed the chair.

At 3:06 p.m., Senator Kenny returned to the chair.

At 3:15 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 3:35 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

Brigadier-General R.R. Romses, Colonel Ryan Jestin and Colonel Christopher Davis each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 4:56 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

SAINT JOHN, Monday, January 31, 2005
(18)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera at 6 p.m., in the Manchester Room, Delta Brunswick, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Nolin (8).

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 6:52 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 7:00 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in Royal Ballroom C.

WITNESSES:

As individuals:

Bernard Cormier;

Elsie Wayne;

Ralph Wood;

Les Holloway;

Habib Kilisli;

Ralph Forté;

Colonel James H. Turnbull;

Greg Cook;

Dennis Driscoll;

Pat Hanratty;

Judson Corey;

Leticia Adair;

Honourary Lieutenant-Colonel E. Neil McKelvey;

John Steeves;

Roy Hobson;

Bernie Ritchie;

Gloria G. Paul;

W. John Steeves-Smith;

Mike Collins;

Phillip Blaney;

Captain A. Soppitt;

Patrick Donovan.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Bernard Cormier made a statement and acted as moderator.

Elsie Wayne; Ralph Wood; Les Holloway; Habib Kilisli; Ralph Forté; Colonel James H. Turnbull; Greg Cook; Dennis Driscoll; Pat Hanratty; Judson Corey; Leticia Adair; Honourary Lieutenant-Colonel E. Neil McKelvey; John Steeves; Roy Hobson; Bernie Ritchie; Gloria G. Paul; W. John Steeves-Smith; Mike Collins; Phillip Blaney; Captain A. Soppitt; and Patrick Donovan each made a statement and answered questions.

At 9:00 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 9:20 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in the Manchester Room.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 10:00 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Daniel Charbonneau

Co-Clerk of the Committee

CHARLOTTETOWN, Tuesday, February 1, 2005
(19)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera at 1:30 p.m., in the Consbrook Room, Delta Prince Edward, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Downe, Forrestall, Kenny and Meighen (8).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Captain (N) Kenneth Stewart, DND Liaison Officer; Inspector Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor; and Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No.1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 2:02 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 2:09 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in the Prince Room.

WITNESS:

Dalhousie University:

Peter Haydon, Senior Research Fellow for the Centre for Foreign Policy Studies.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Peter Haydon made a presentation and answered questions.

At 3:38 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 3:55 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

WITNESSES:

H.M.C.S. Queen Charlotte:

Lieutenant-Commander Phil Mundy, Executive Officer.

P.E.I. Regiment:

Lieutenant-Colonel D.B. McKinnon.

1 Canadian Air Division Headquarters:

Major A.G. Hynes, Air Reserve Coordinator (East).

The Chair made an opening statement.

Lieutenant-Commander Phil Mundy, Lieutenant-Colonel D.B. McKinnon and Major A.G. Hynes each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 5:09 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Jodi Turner

Co-Clerk of the Committee

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