Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence
Issue 11 - Minutes of Proceedings
OTTAWA, Monday, February 7, 2005
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera at 9:40 a.m., in room 172-E, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Munson (8).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price and Grant Dawson, Analysts; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Captain (N) Kenneth Stewart, DND Liaison Officer; Inspector Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor.
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's Proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 10:00 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 10:05 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.
WITNESSES:
National Defence:
Lieutenant-General Marc Caron, Chief of Land Staff.
Lieutenant-General Ken Pennie, Chief of Air Staff.
Canada Border Services Agency:
Denis Lefebvre, Executive Vice-President;
Maureen Tracy, Acting Head, Customs Contraband, Intelligence and Investigations, Enforcement Branch;
Transport Canada:
Gerald Frappier, Director General, Marine Security, Safety and Security Group;
Brion Brandt, Director, Security Policy, Safety and Security Group;
Kristine Burr, Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy;
Ron Sully, Assistant Deputy Minister, Programs and Divestiture.
Infrastructure Canada:
Guy Bujold, Assistant Deputy Minister.
The Chair made an opening statement.
Lieutenant-General Marc Caron made a presentation and answered questions.
At 11:42 a.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 11:48 a.m., the committee resumed its sitting.
The Chair made an opening statement.
Lieutenant-General Ken Pennie made a presentation and answered questions.
At 1:14 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 1:24 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in room 172-E, Centre Block.
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 2:00 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 2:05 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.
The Chair made an opening statement.
Denis Lefebvre, Maureen Tracy, Gerald Frappier and Brion Brandt each made a presentation and answered questions.
At 3:41 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 3:56 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.
The Chair made an opening statement.
Denis Lefebvre, Kristine Burr, Ron Sully and Guy Bujold each made a presentation and answered questions.
At 5:22 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.
At 5:35 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in room 160-S (Subcommittee).
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 6:20 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
Daniel Charbonneau
Jodi Turner
Co-Clerks of the Committee
OTTAWA, Wednesday, February 9, 2005
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera at 12:12 p.m., in room 172-E, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny and Meighen (7).
Other senator present: The Honourable Senator Nolin (1).
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price.
Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No.1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's Proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)
In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.
At 1:08 p.m., the committee proceeded in public.
It was moved by the Honourable Senator Forrestall that the following budget application for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2006 be concurred in;
That the Chair and deputy Chair be authorized to make corrections and adjustments to the budget as needed; and
That the Chair submit same to the Standing Senate Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration.
| Professional and Other Services | $ 174,600 |
| Transportation and Communication | $ 569,400 |
| All other expenses | $ 31,000 |
| Total | $ 775,000 |
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
At 1:12 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
Daniel Charbonneau
Co-Clerk of the Committee