Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence

Issue 18 - Minutes of Proceedings

REGINA, Wednesday, March 9, 2005
(41)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day at 3:00 p.m., in the Blue Lounge room, Radisson Plaza Hotel Saskatchewan Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Munson (5).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: William Price, Analyst; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Inspector Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor; Captain (N) Kelly Williams, DND Liaison Officer; and Maurice Dessureault, Military Advisor.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No.1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

National Defence:

Colonel Alain Boyer, Commander 15 Wing Moose Jaw.

Bombardier Aerospace:

Mick LeBoldus, Chief Representative at the NATO Flight Training Centre.

National Defence:

Lieutenant-Colonel J.E. Wainwright, Commander, 16/17 Field Ambulance;

Lieutenant-Colonel Charlie Miller, Commander, 10^thField Artillery Regiment, RCA;

Lieutenant-Colonel Paul Rutherford, Commander,
73 Communication Group;

Lieutenant-Commander John Bell, Commander, HMCS Queen.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Colonel Alain Boyer and Mick LeBoldus each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 4:20 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 4:30 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

Lieutenant-Colonel J.E. Wainwright, Lieutenant-Colonel Miller, Lieutenant-Colonel Paul Rutherford and Lieutenant-Commander John Bell each made a presentation and answered questions.

The Chair made an opening statement.

At 4:55 p.m., Senator Forrestall assumed the chair.

At 5:40 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

REGINA, Wednesday, March 9, 2005
(42)

[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day at 6:35 p.m., in the Blue Lounge room, Radisson Plaza Hotel Saskatchewan Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Forrestall, Kenny, Meighen and Munson (5).

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

WITNESSES:

As individuals:

Brigadier-General (Ret'd) Cliff Walker.

Jamie Hopkins;

Doug Lennox;

Colonel (Ret'd) Charles Keple;

Jan van Eijk;

Honourary Colonel R.V. Cade;

John Yeomans.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Brigadier-General (Ret'd) Cliff Walker made an opening statement and acted as moderator.

Jamie Hopkins, Doug Lennox, Colonel (Ret'd) Charles Keple, Jan van Eijk, Honourary Colonel R.V. Cade and John Yeomans each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 7:20 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

WINNIPEG, Thursday, March 10, 2005
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera at 2:05 p.m., in the Colbourne room, Delta Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Manitoba, the Vice-Chair, the Honourable Michael Forrestall, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Forrestall, Meighen and Munson (4).

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 3:30 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 3:42 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in the Albert Room.

WITNESSES:

University of Manitoba:

James Fergusson, Centre for Defence and Security Studies, Department of Political Studies.

Royal Military Institute of Manitoba (RMIM):

Lieutenant-General (Ret'd) Ray Crabbe.

National Defence:

Major-General J.J.C Bouchard, Commander, 1 Canadian Air Division;

Colonel Steff J. Kummel, Wing Commander, 17 Wing Winnipeg.

As an individual:

Susan Thompson, Former Mayor of the City of Winnipeg.

Province of Manitoba:

Chuck Sanderson, Executive Director, Emergency Measures Organization.

National Defence:

Major M.K. Gagné, Officer Commanding Administration Company, 2nd Battalion Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry.

Colonel Mike Capstick, Director, Land Personnel Strategy.

The Vice-Chair made an opening statement.

James Fergusson and Lieutenant-General (Ret'd) Ray Crabbe each made a presentation and answered questions.

Major-General J.J.C. Bouchard made a presentation and answered questions.

At 5:00 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 5:15 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting with Senator Meighen assuming the chair.

Senator Meighen made an opening statement.

Susan Thompson, Chuck Sanderson, Colonel Capstick and Major Gagné each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 6:40 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

WINNIPEG, Thursday, March 10, 2005
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day at 7:20 p.m., in the Albert room, Delta Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Manitoba, the Acting Chair, the Honourable Michael Meighen, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Meighen and Munson (3).

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

WITNESSES:

Royal Military Institute of Manitoba (RMIM):

Lieutenant-General (Ret'd) Ray Crabbe.

As individuals:

Martin Zeilig;

David Pankratz;

Doug Winstanley;

Bud Sherman;

Douglas Ludlow;

Tony MacLachlan;

Matthew Wiens;

Lieutenant-Colonel (Ret'd) Harold Graham;

Stan Fulham;

Randy Kitchur;

Lisa Martens;

Gerritt H. Siebring;

Honourary Colonel Gary Solar;

David W. Faurschou;

John A. Church;

Blake Badour.

The Acting Chair made an opening statement.

Lieutenant-General (Ret'd) Ray Crabbe made an opening statement and acted as moderator.

Martin Zeilig, David Pankratz, Doug Winstanley, Bud Sherman, Douglas Ludlow, Tony MacLachlan, Matthew Wiens, Lieutenant-Colonel (Ret'd) Harold Graham, Stan Fulham, Randy Kitchur, Lisa Martens, Gerritt H. Siebring, Honourary Colonel Gary Solar, David W. Faurschou, John A. Church and Blake Badour each made a presentation and answered questions.

At 8:45 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Jodi Turner

Co-Clerk of the Committee

Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence

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Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
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