Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
National Security and Defence

Issue 8 - Minutes of Proceedings

OTTAWA, Monday, December 13, 2004
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[English]

The Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence met this day in camera, at 3:39 p.m., in room 172-E, Centre Block, the Chair, the Honourable Colin Kenny, presiding.

Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Atkins, Banks, Cordy, Day, Forrestall, Kenny and Nolin (7).

Other senator present: The Honourable Senator Massicotte (1).

In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch, Library of Parliament: Grant Dawson and William Price, Analysts; Major General (Ret'd) Keith McDonald, Senior Military Advisor; Captain (N) Kenneth Stewart, DND Liaison Officer; Sergeant Harold O'Connell, RCMP Liaison Officer; Barry Denofsky, National Security Advisor; and Veronica Morris, Communications Officer.

Also present: The official reporters of the Senate.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

It was moved by the Honourable Senator Day that the Committee adopt the following budget application for the Subcommittee on Veterans Affairs for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2005; and

That the Chair submit same to the Standing Senate Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration:

 The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

At 4:36 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 4:41 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in public in room 160-S, Centre Block.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, October 20, 2004, the committee continued its examination on the need for a national security policy for Canada. (See Issue No. 1, Monday, October 25, 2004, of the committee's proceedings for the full text of the Order of Reference.)

WITNESSES:

Carleton University:

Martin Rudner, Director, Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies.

National Defence:

Major-General Michael J.C.M. Gauthier, MSC, CD, J2/Director General of Intelligence.

The Chair made an opening statement.

Martin Rudner made a presentation and answered questions.

At 5:15 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 5:32 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

At 6:11 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 6:15 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting.

Major-General Michael J.C.M. Gauthier made a presentation and answered questions.

At 7:34 p.m., the committee suspended its sitting.

At 7:45 p.m., the committee resumed its sitting in camera in 172-E, Centre Block.

In accordance with rule 92(2)(e), the committee considered its draft agenda.

At 8:00 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

ATTEST:

Daniel Charbonneau

Clerk of the Committee