Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
Banking, Trade and Commerce
Issue 8 - Minutes of Proceedings
OTTAWA, Wednesday, May 27, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day in camera at 4:10 p.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Meighen, Moore, Oliver, Ringuette and Robichaud, P.C. (10).
Other senator present: The Honourable Senator Massicotte (1).
In attendance: Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, March 3, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the credit and debit card systems in Canada and their relative rates and fees, in particular for businesses and consumers. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 2.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that Senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room with the condition that no Blackberrys be used.
It was agreed that the Honourable Yoine Goldstein be permitted to attend and participate at the in camera meeting.
At 6:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Thursday, May 28, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day in camera at 10:30 a.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Eyton, Fox, P.C., Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Moore, Oliver and Ringuette (10).
In attendance: Mark Mahabir, Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, March 12, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the elements dealing with the Competition Act (Part 12) contained in Bill C-10, the Budget Implementation Act, 2009.
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room with the condition that no Blackberrys be used.
At 11:09 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Wednesday, June 3, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day in camera at 4:10 p.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Day, Eyton, Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Moore, Oliver and Ringuette (12).
In attendance: Mark Mahabir, Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, March 12, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the elements dealing with the Competition Act (Part 12) contained in Bill C-10, the Budget Implementation Act, 2009. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 7.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room.
It was agreed that the Honourable Yoine Goldstein be permitted to attend and participate at the in camera meeting.
It was moved that the report be adopted, that the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be authorized to approve the final version with the agreed editorial changes and that the chair table the report in the Senate.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
At 5:30 p.m., the committee suspended.
At 5:35 p.m., the committee resumed.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, March 3, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the credit and debit card systems in Canada and their relative rates and fees, in particular for businesses and consumers. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 2.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that Senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room.
The Honourable Senator Ringuette tabled a proposal containing recommendations.
At 6:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Thursday, June 4, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day in camera at 10:40 a.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Day, Eyton, Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Moore, Oliver and Ringuette (12).
In attendance: Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, March 3, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the credit and debit card systems in Canada and their relative rates and fees, in particular for businesses and consumers. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 2.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room.
It was agreed that the Honourable Yoine Goldstein be permitted to attend and participate at the in camera meeting.
At 12:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Wednesday, June 10, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day in camera at 4:35 p.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Day, Eyton, Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Oliver and Ringuette (11).
In attendance: Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, March 3, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the credit and debit card systems in Canada and their relative rates and fees, in particular for businesses and consumers. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 2.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room.
It was agreed that the Honourable Yoine Goldstein be permitted to attend and participate at the in camera meeting.
It was moved by the Honourable Senator Harb that the committee now consider the proposal tabled by the Honourable Senator Ringuette before the committee on June 3, 2009.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Ringuette moved that the committee proceed with a vote on the said recommendation, which is indivisible, not subject to change and, if adopted, would be included as a recommendation in the report.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following vote.
YEAS: The Honourable Senators Day, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Ringuette — 3
NAYS: The Honourable Senators Eyton, Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Massicotte, Meighen, Oliver — 7
ABSTENTION: The Honourable Senator Fox, P.C. — 1
At 5:35 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Thursday, June 11, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day in camera at 10:35 a.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Day, Eyton, Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Moore, Oliver and Ringuette (12).
In attendance: Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, March 3, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the credit and debit card systems in Canada and their relative rates and fees, in particular for businesses and consumers. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 2.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee considered a draft report.
It was agreed that Senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room.
It was agreed that the Honourable Yoine Goldstein be permitted to attend and participate at the in camera meeting.
It was agreed that the committee meet on Thursday, June 18, 2009, from 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m..
At 12:05 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Wednesday, June 17, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this at 4:05 p.m., in room 9, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Day, Eyton, Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Moore, Oliver and Ringuette (12).
In attendance: Marc-André Pigeon, John Bulmer and Julian Walker, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, June 10, 2009, the committee began its examination of Bill C-4, An Act respecting not-for-profit corporations and certain other corporations.
APPEARING:
The Honourable Diane Ablonczy, P.C., M.P., Minister of State (Small Business and Tourism).
WITNESSES:
Industry Canada:
Roger Charland, Executive Director, Corporate and Insolvency Law Policy and Internal Trade;
Wayne Lennon, Senior Project Leader, Corporate and Insolvency Law Policy and Internal Trade;
Coleen Kirby, Manager, Corporation Canada, Policy Section.
Certified General Accountants' Association of Canada (CGA-Canada):
Carole Presseault, Vice-President;
Gerry Stobo, Partner, Borden Ladner Gervais LLP.
The Honourable Minister Ablonczy made a statement and, together with Mr. Charland, Mr. Lennon and Ms. Kirby, answered questions.
At 5:25 p.m. the committee suspended.
At 5:30 p.m. the committee resumed.
Ms Presseault made a statement and with Mr. Stobo answered questions.
It was agreed that the committee proceed to clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-4, An Act respecting not-for- profit corporations and certain other corporations at the meeting Thursday morning at 8:30 a.m..
It was agreed that Senator Ringuette be an observer at the meeting of the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure during study of the final version of the report on credit and debit card when it will be adopted.
At 5:35 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
OTTAWA, Thursday, June 18, 2009
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[English]
The Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce met this day at 9 a.m., in room 505, Victoria Building, the chair, the Honourable Michael A. Meighen, presiding.
Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Day, Eyton, Fox, P.C., Gerstein, Greene, Harb, Hervieux-Payette, P.C., Massicotte, Meighen, Moore, Oliver and Ringuette (12).
In attendance: Julian Walker, Marc-André Pigeon and John Bulmer, Analysts, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Library of Parliament.
Also in attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Wednesday, June 10, 2009, the committee continued its examination of Bill C-4, An Act respecting not-for-profit corporations and certain other corporations.
WITNESSES:
Industry Canada:
Roger Charland, Executive Director, Corporate and Insolvency Law Policy and Internal Trade;
Wayne Lennon, Senior Project Leader, Corporate and Insolvency Law Policy and Internal Trade;
Coleen Kirby, Manager, Corporation Canada, Policy Section.
Certified General Accountants' Association of Canada (CGA-Canada):
Carole Presseault, Vice-President.
The witnesses answered questions.
At 10 a.m., it was agreed that the committee proceed to clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-4, An Act respecting not-for-profit corporations and certain other corporations.
With leave, it was agreed that the chair groups the clauses of the bill.
It was agreed that the title stand postponed.
It was agreed that the short title in clause 1 stand postponed.
It was agreed that clauses 2 to 5 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 6 to 15 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 16 to 19 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 20 to 27 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 28 to 36 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 37 to 103 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 104 to 115 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 116 to 123 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 124 to 151 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 152 to 171 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 172 to 178 carry.
It was agreed that clause 179 carry.
It was agreed that clause 180 stand postponed.
It was agreed that clauses 181 to 196 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 197 to 216 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 217 to 241 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 242 to 249 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 250 to 263 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 264 to 271 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 272 to 293 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 294 to 296 carry.
It was agreed that clauses 297 to 372 carry.
It was agreed that the title carry.
It was agreed that the short title in clause 1 carry.
The Honourable Senator Ringuette moved that Bill C-4 be amended in clause 180, on page 83,
by replacing lines 18 to 22 with the following:
"of a province; and''; and
by relettering paragraph 180(1)(c) as paragraph 180(1)(b) and any cross-references thereto accordingly.
After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived.
It was agreed that clause 180 carry on division.
The committee discussed the content of observations for the report.
It was agreed that the Bill carry.
Is it agreed that the chair report Bill C-4 without amendment but with observations to the Senate.
At 10:30 a.m., pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Tuesday, March 3, 2009, the committee continued its examination of the credit and debit card systems in Canada and their relative rates and fees, in particular for businesses and consumers. (For complete text of the order of reference, see proceedings of the committee, Issue No. 2.)
Pursuant to rule 92(2)(f), the committee proceeded in camera to consider a draft report.
It was agreed that senators' staff be permitted to stay in the room.
It was agreed that the Honourable Yoine Goldstein be permitted to attend the in camera meeting.
At 12:30 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.
ATTEST:
Line Gravel
Clerk of the Committee