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Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act

Point of Order

November 9, 2023


Hon. Donald Neil Plett [ + ]

Point of order. I was standing. I thought Senator Clement wanted to either ask a question or go on debate. This is extremely rare and very unfair.

I was standing on debate and for Your Honour to allow somebody to move an adjournment motion while people are standing on debate is, I believe, definitely out of order.

Hon. Leo Housakos [ + ]

Point of order.

Not only is this outrageous, I have never before seen in my time in this place someone get on their feet, move an amendment without debating on the amendment. The tradition in this place is you get up on debate, move your amendment, make your debate, take questions on your amendment and then you go into debate. Then, after that, we can try to adjourn because obviously we know what we are trying to do here.

The fact that we are skipping all of these other necessary steps — amend, debate, ask questions of the amender, go to other debates and then ask for a question? Come on, Your Honour, please.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

I will say that I did recognize, first of all, Senator Clement. She was going to adjourn debate. But I recognized Senator Batters and she did ask a question.

Senator Plett [ + ]

And you recognized Senator Wells as well, on debate.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

They both got up at the same time.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

Do you have a point of order?

Hon. David M. Wells [ + ]

It is on the point of order, unless you’ve ruled on the point of order.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

No. I can hear the arguments.

Senator Wells [ + ]

Thank you. From where I stand, I can see you and I can see Senator Clement. I know that I was standing, and I also saw that you struggled to remember my name. I understand that; that’s not an issue personally with me at all. It was then that you deferred to Senator Clement. But I know clearly, Your Honour — and I guess you can choose whom you wish to recognize, but I know that I was standing up on debate with respect to Senator Moncion’s —

And you are the sponsor.

Senator Wells [ + ]

 — the sponsor of the bill.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

Senator Wells, you were not actually — you interpreted my — reading my mind. But I must say that I did remember your name. I recognized Senator Clement, and she has the right to adjourn the debate.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

She has adjourned the debate.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

Senator Clement has moved that further debate be adjourned until the next sitting of the Senate. I will call the question.

It is moved by the Honourable Senator Clement, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc, that further debate be adjourned until the next sitting of the Senate. Is it your pleasure, honourable senators, to adopt the motion?

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

I think the “nays” have it.

Senator Plett [ + ]

Your Honour, you have not yet ruled on the point of order.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

I said that I think the “nays” have it. I see two senators rising.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

All those in favour will please say “yea.”

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

Order. There are two senators rising. Do we have agreement on the bell?

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

Thank you. The vote will take place at 5:03. Call in the senators.

The Hon. the Speaker [ + ]

The question is as follows: It was moved by the Honourable Senator Clement, seconded by the Honourable Senator Petitclerc, that further debate be adjourned until the next sitting of the Senate.

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